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   "content" : "Stoltenberg til Der Spiegel:\n\n# \\- Kan ikke love at USA blir i Nato\n\n## Tidligere Nato\\-sjef, finansminister Jens Stoltenberg \\(Ap\\) sier at han ikke kan love at USA blir i Nato. \\- Det kan ingen. Derfor må vi gjøre det vi kan for at de gjør det.\n\n## Kort fortalt\n\n- Jens Stoltenberg uttrykker usikkerhet om USAs fremtid i Nato i et intervju med Der Spiegel.\n- Han understreker samtidig viktigheten av å øke forsvarsutgifter og støtte Ukraina for å styrke det transatlantiske båndet.\n- Stoltenberg gir også entydig støtte til Danmark i Grønland\\-konflikten.\n\nSammendraget er laget av ChatGPT og godkjent av Dagbladet.\n\nNEW YORK / OSLO \\(Dagbladet\\): Det sier Stoltenberg i et intervju med den tyske nyhetsmagasinet [Der Spiegel](https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/ex-nato-chef-jens-stoltenberg-ich-kann-nicht-versprechen-dass-die-usa-in-der-nato-bleiben-a-2065748c-d878-4685-ae6f-443e2481b9f6) fredag kveld.\n\nI boka si «På min vakt: Å lede Nato i krigstid» beskriver Stoltenberg strategien om ikke å provosere USAs president Donald Trump, og om å holde ham innenfor eget lag.\n\n\\- Men fungerer dette i Trumps andre presidentperiode? Dette er en amerikansk regjering som ikke bare åpent truer Nato\\-allierte, men som i sin sikkerhetsstrategi også skriver at den vil endre Europa. Når når vi punktet der vi som europeere må se Trump som en trussel mot det europeiske prosjektet? spør avisa.\n\n\\- Det jeg sier, er dette: Vi må forholde oss til USA, og det innebærer også å si ifra når vi er uenige, svarer Stoltenberg og fortsetter:\n\n\\- Det andre budskapet er: Jeg kan ikke love at USA vil bli værende i Nato. Det kan ingen. Men jeg er overbevist om at vi bør gjøre det vi kan for å redusere risikoen for at USA trekker seg ut, og sørge for at vi selv er i best mulig posisjon til å håndtere det dersom det skjer, sier han.\n\n### \\- Ingenting hugget i stein\n\nDer Spiegel spør også den tidligere Nato\\-sjefen om han har tro på at alliansen vil overleve.\n\n\\- Ingenting er hugget i stein. Ting kan endre seg. Men vi kan spørre oss hvilke handlinger som øker sjansen for at Nato og det transatlantiske samholdet består. I min tid som generalsekretær utviklet vi derfor såkalte «no regret\\-strategier» – tiltak som er riktige uansett om USA forblir en engasjert Nato\\-alliert eller ikke sier Stoltenberg og lister opp tiltakene:\n\n• Å øke forsvarsutgiftene, som ifølge Stoltenberg er viktig for å holde USA i Nato, men enda viktigere dersom man tror at USA ikke vil forbli like engasjert.• Å støtte Ukraina, som ifølge Stoltenberg både styrker det transatlantiske båndet og er den mest realistiske og beste veien mot en slutt på Ukraina\\-krigen og Russland\\-trusselen.\n\n• Å forholde seg aktivt til USA, både den amerikanske regjeringen og Kongressen, «for det finnes ulike syn internt i USA, på samme måte som det gjør i Europa».\n\n### Støtter Danmark\n\nI intervjuet kommenterer Stoltenberg også Grønland\\-konflikten. USAs president truer nå åpenlyst med å annektere Grønland fra Nato\\-allierte Danmark.\n\n\\- Vi må ta USAs erklæring om at de ønsker å ta kontroll over Grønland på alvor. Norge støtter Danmark fullt ut. Grønland er en del av kongeriket Danmark, og det må være opp til befolkningen i Danmark og på Grønland å avgjøre sin egen framtid.\n\nStoltenberg snakket også med Trump om Grønland i hans første presidentperiode i 2018 da han selv var Natos generalsekretær. Den gangen ønsket det amerikanske presidenten å kjøpe øya.\n\n\\- Mitt budskap den gangen, som Nato\\-generalsekretær, var det samme: at Grønland tilhører Kongeriket Danmark, og at det er viktig å respektere suvereniteten til Nato\\-allierte. Samtidig fortalte jeg Trump ved innsettelsen hans at det forrige forsøket på å annektere Grønland kom fra Norge. Det var for rundt hundre år siden, i 1931, forklarer Stoltenberg.\n\n### \\- Strålende\n\nDa[ Dagbladet snakket med Trumps tidligere nasjonale sikkerhetsrådgiver](https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/trump-advarsel-fullstendig-galskap/83305676) og nåværende profilert Trump\\-kritiker, John Bolton, i fjor sommer, hyllet han hvordan den norske generalsekretæren håndterte Trump. Som Trumps rådgiver var han med på flere møter Stoltenberg.\n\n\\- Jeg synes Stoltenberg gjorde en strålende jobb med å håndtere Trump. Jeg synes også Rutte \\(Mark Rutte, Natos nåværende generalsekretær red.anm.\\) har gjort en god jobb de siste seks månedene, men det er ingen garantier for hvordan de neste seks månedene vil se ut. sa Bolton.",
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Det blir tema under et eksklusivt intervju med Trumps tidligere rådgiver John Bolton. Reporter: Vegard Kvaale\n      </figcaption>\n    </div>\n  </figure>\n</div>\n<p class=\"italic m-italic\" data-lab-italic=\"italic\">- Men fungerer dette i Trumps andre presidentperiode? Dette er en amerikansk regjering som ikke bare åpent truer Nato-allierte, men som i sin sikkerhetsstrategi også skriver at den vil endre Europa. Når når vi punktet der vi som europeere må se Trump som en trussel mot det europeiske prosjektet? spør avisa.</p>\t\n<div class=\"row xrow flex-initial\"><article class=\"column preview columns xavier-preview small-12 medium-12 large-12 native-advertisement\" data-cxense_tag=\"cerebro\" data-from=\"xavier\" data-reverseimagetextorder=\"false\" data-xavier-version=\"XRE\"><div class=\"content bg-white\"><a href=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/annonsorinnhold/v/dagbladet/travtips/11141636/ukens-v75-tips-v2/?allerID=202601171\"><div class=\"content-marketing-ribbon\"><h3>Annonsørinnhold</h3><img alt=\" logo\" class=\"lazyload\" data-src=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/files/2021/09/28/rikstoto_logo.png\" loading=\"lazy\"></div><div class=\"media\"><figure class=\"xre-figure\" style=\"--xre-fallback-ratio:50.00%;aspect-ratio:2.00\"><picture style=\"position:relative;height:100%\"><source srcset=\" https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84099275.jpg?imageId=84099275&amp;x=0.000000&amp;y=0.000000&amp;cropw=0.000000&amp;croph=0.000000&amp;compression=70&amp;format=webp&amp;width=980&amp;height=490 1.0x, https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84099275.jpg?imageId=84099275&amp;x=0.000000&amp;y=0.000000&amp;cropw=0.000000&amp;croph=0.000000&amp;compression=70&amp;format=webp&amp;width=1470&amp;height=735 1.5x, https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84099275.jpg?imageId=84099275&amp;x=0.000000&amp;y=0.000000&amp;cropw=0.000000&amp;croph=0.000000&amp;compression=70&amp;format=webp&amp;width=1960&amp;height=980 2.0x\" type=\"image/webp\"><img alt=\"Illustrasjon: Travekspert i storform\" fetchpriority=\"high\" height=\"490\" loading=\"eager\" src=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84099275.jpg?imageId=84099275&amp;x=0.000000&amp;y=0.000000&amp;cropw=0.000000&amp;croph=0.000000\" style=\"position:relative;min-height:100%;min-width:100%;object-fit:cover\" width=\"980\"></picture></figure></div><h2 class=\"xavier-headline headline xre\"><span class=\"title dynamic-sizing\" style=\"--xcs-headline-size-sm:3.63em;--xcs-headline-size-md:6.33rem;--xcs-headline-size-lg:6.33rem\">Travekspert</span><span class=\"title dynamic-sizing\" style=\"--xcs-headline-size-sm:4.45em;--xcs-headline-size-md:7.75rem;--xcs-headline-size-lg:7.75rem\">i storform</span></h2></a></div></article></div>\n\n\n<p>- Det jeg sier, er dette: Vi må forholde oss til USA, og det innebærer også å si ifra når vi er uenige, svarer Stoltenberg og fortsetter:</p><figure class=\"column expandwidth small-12 large-12 medium-12 small-abs-12 large-abs-12\" data-element-guid=\"d3ec4400-f320-479c-b482-bb01bc217500\">\n  \n  <div class=\"content \" style=\"\">\n\n    <div class=\"img fullwidthTarget\">\n      <picture>\n        <source height=\"559\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84110143.webp?imageId=84110143&amp;width=1960&amp;height=1118&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"980\">    \n        <source height=\"559\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84110143.webp?imageId=84110143&amp;width=1960&amp;height=1118&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"980\">    \n        <source height=\"217\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84110143.webp?imageId=84110143&amp;width=760&amp;height=434&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"380\">\n        <source height=\"217\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84110143.webp?imageId=84110143&amp;width=760&amp;height=434&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"380\">\n        <img alt=\"\" class=\"\" height=\"559\" src=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84110143.webp?imageId=84110143&amp;width=1960&amp;height=1118\" style=\"--aspect-ratio-image: 1.75; \" title=\"SNAKKET: Nåværende finansminister, Jens Stoltenberg, møtte Trump mange ganger som Natos generalsekretær. Foto: Bjørn Langsem / Dagbladet\" width=\"980\">\n      </picture>\n      \n          </div>\n\n    <div class=\"caption \" data-showmore=\"Vis mer\">\n        <figcaption class=\"\" itemprop=\"caption\">SNAKKET: Nåværende finansminister, Jens Stoltenberg, møtte Trump mange ganger som Natos generalsekretær. Foto: Bjørn Langsem / Dagbladet</figcaption>\n    </div>\n  </div>\n</figure>\n<p>- Det andre budskapet er: Jeg kan ikke love at USA vil bli værende i Nato. Det kan ingen. Men jeg er overbevist om at vi bør gjøre det vi kan for å redusere risikoen for at USA trekker seg ut, og sørge for at vi selv er i best mulig posisjon til å håndtere det dersom det skjer, sier han.</p>\t\n<div class=\"row xrow flex-initial\"><div class=\"adunit-wrapper track-element column small-12 medium-12 large-12\" data-from=\"xavier\" id=\"apos-netboard1\"><div class=\"adunit GoogleActiveViewElement small-580x500 medium-580x500 large-580x500\" data-collapse=\"false\" data-expand=\"false\" data-load-on=\"view\" data-out-of-page=\"false\" data-sizes=\"[[580,400],[580,500],&quot;fluid&quot;]\" data-slot=\"/8578/dagbladet.no/seksjoner/nyheter/artikkel\" id=\"ad-netboard1\" itemscope itemtype=\"https://schema.org/WPAdBlock\" json=\"{&quot;targeting&quot;:{&quot;pos&quot;:&quot;netboard1&quot;,&quot;platform&quot;:&quot;wolverine&quot;}}\"></div></div></div>\n\n\n<h3>- Ingenting hugget i stein</h3>\t\n\n\n\n<p>Der Spiegel spør også den tidligere Nato-sjefen om han har tro på at alliansen vil overleve.</p><article class=\" small-12 large-12 medium-12 small-abs-12 large-abs-12 preview-link \" data-element-guid=\"bb46a9b5-3861-49ef-a8f0-80699857917f\" data-instance=\"84109954\" data-section=\"nyheter\" data-site-alias=\"dagbladet\">\n\n  <div class=\"content bg-white color_mobile_bg-white hasContentPadding mobile-hasContentPadding\" style=\"\">\n\n    <a href=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/vil-kaste-usa-ut-av-gronland/84109954\" itemprop=\"url\">\n          \n          <figure class=\"\" data-element-guid=\"3e14481c-a0ee-4f59-8a60-a85c3273b0a2\" style=\"--padding-bottom-image: 45.00%; \">\n\n\n      <div class=\"img fullwidthTarget \">\n      <picture>\n        <source height=\"441\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84109977.webp?imageId=84109977&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;heightx=51.27&amp;heighty=0.00&amp;heightw=41.43&amp;heighth=100.00&amp;width=1960&amp;height=882&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"980\">    \n        <source height=\"441\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84109977.webp?imageId=84109977&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;heightx=51.27&amp;heighty=0.00&amp;heightw=41.43&amp;heighth=100.00&amp;width=1960&amp;height=882&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"980\">    \n        <source height=\"171\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84109977.webp?imageId=84109977&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;heightx=51.27&amp;heighty=0.00&amp;heightw=41.43&amp;heighth=100.00&amp;width=760&amp;height=342&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"380\">\n        <source height=\"171\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84109977.webp?imageId=84109977&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;heightx=51.27&amp;heighty=0.00&amp;heightw=41.43&amp;heighth=100.00&amp;width=760&amp;height=342&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"380\">\n        <img alt=\"\" class=\"lazyload\" data-src=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84109977.webp?imageId=84109977&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;heightx=51.27&amp;heighty=0.00&amp;heightw=41.43&amp;heighth=100.00&amp;width=1960&amp;height=882\" height=\"441\" style=\"--aspect-ratio-image: 2.22; \" title=\"Vil kaste USA ut av Grønland\" width=\"980\">\n      </picture>\n      \n            </div>\n\n  \n\n\n\n</figure>\n\n\n      <header data-before-content=\"Les også\">\n        <h3 class=\"headline\">Vil kaste USA ut av Grønland</h3>\n\n\n      </header>\n      <span class=\"arrow\">\n          <svg height=\"24\" viewbox=\"0 0 24 17\" width=\"24\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\">\n              <g fill=\"none\" fill-rule=\"evenodd\" stroke-linecap=\"round\" stroke-width=\"1.2\">\n                  <path d=\"M15.4 1l4 3.825 4 3.775-4 3.825-4 3.775\" stroke-linejoin=\"round\"></path>\n                  <path d=\"M22.2 8.6H1\"></path>\n              </g>\n          </svg>\n      </span>\n    </a>\n\n  </div>\n\n</article>\n<p class=\"font-weight-bold m-font-weight-bold\" data-lab-font_weight=\"font-weight-bold\">- Ingenting er hugget i stein. Ting kan endre seg. Men vi kan spørre oss hvilke handlinger som øker sjansen for at Nato og det transatlantiske samholdet består. I min tid som generalsekretær utviklet vi derfor såkalte «no regret-strategier» – tiltak som er riktige uansett om USA forblir en engasjert Nato-alliert eller ikke sier Stoltenberg og lister opp tiltakene:</p>\t\n<div class=\"row xrow flex-initial\"><div class=\"adunit-wrapper track-element column small-12 medium-12 large-12\" data-from=\"xavier\" id=\"apos-netboard2\"><div class=\"adunit GoogleActiveViewElement small-580x500 medium-580x500 large-580x500\" data-collapse=\"false\" data-expand=\"false\" data-load-on=\"view\" data-out-of-page=\"false\" data-sizes=\"[[580,400],[580,500],&quot;fluid&quot;]\" data-slot=\"/8578/dagbladet.no/seksjoner/nyheter/artikkel\" id=\"ad-netboard2\" itemscope itemtype=\"https://schema.org/WPAdBlock\" json=\"{&quot;targeting&quot;:{&quot;pos&quot;:&quot;netboard2&quot;,&quot;platform&quot;:&quot;wolverine&quot;}}\"></div></div></div>\n\n\n<p>• Å øke forsvarsutgiftene, som ifølge Stoltenberg er viktig for å holde USA i Nato, men enda viktigere dersom man tror at USA ikke vil forbli like engasjert.<br>• Å støtte Ukraina, som ifølge Stoltenberg både styrker det transatlantiske båndet og er den mest realistiske og beste veien mot en slutt på Ukraina-krigen og Russland-trusselen.</p>\t\n\n\n\n<p>• Å forholde seg aktivt til USA, både den amerikanske regjeringen og Kongressen, «for det finnes ulike syn internt i USA, på samme måte som det gjør i Europa».</p>\t\n\n\n\n<h3>Støtter Danmark</h3>\t\n\n\n\n<p>I intervjuet kommenterer Stoltenberg også Grønland-konflikten. USAs president truer nå åpenlyst med å annektere Grønland fra Nato-allierte Danmark. </p>\t\n<div class=\"row xrow flex-initial\"><div class=\"adunit-wrapper track-element column small-12 medium-12 large-12\" data-from=\"xavier\" id=\"apos-netboard3\"><div class=\"adunit GoogleActiveViewElement small-580x500 medium-580x500 large-580x500\" data-collapse=\"false\" data-expand=\"false\" data-load-on=\"view\" data-out-of-page=\"false\" data-sizes=\"[[580,400],[580,500],&quot;fluid&quot;]\" data-slot=\"/8578/dagbladet.no/seksjoner/nyheter/artikkel\" id=\"ad-netboard3\" itemscope itemtype=\"https://schema.org/WPAdBlock\" json=\"{&quot;targeting&quot;:{&quot;pos&quot;:&quot;netboard3&quot;,&quot;platform&quot;:&quot;wolverine&quot;}}\"></div></div></div>\n\n\n<p class=\"font-weight-bold m-font-weight-bold\" data-lab-font_weight=\"font-weight-bold\">- Vi må ta USAs erklæring om at de ønsker å ta kontroll over Grønland på alvor. Norge støtter Danmark fullt ut. Grønland er en del av kongeriket Danmark, og det må være opp til befolkningen i Danmark og på Grønland å avgjøre sin egen framtid.</p>\t\n\n\n\n<p>Stoltenberg snakket også med Trump om Grønland i hans første presidentperiode i 2018 da han selv var Natos generalsekretær. Den gangen ønsket det amerikanske presidenten å kjøpe øya.</p>\t\n\n\n\n<div class=\"markup\">\n    \n    <div class=\"track-element\" id=\"read-75-percentage\"></div>\n    \n</div>\n<p>- Mitt budskap den gangen, som Nato-generalsekretær, var det samme: at Grønland tilhører Kongeriket Danmark, og at det er viktig å respektere suvereniteten til Nato-allierte. Samtidig fortalte jeg Trump ved innsettelsen hans at det forrige forsøket på å annektere Grønland kom fra Norge. Det var for rundt hundre år siden, i 1931, forklarer Stoltenberg.</p><article class=\" small-12 large-12 medium-12 small-abs-12 large-abs-12 preview-link \" data-element-guid=\"98ad71af-aade-4c91-834e-53888ec572fa\" data-instance=\"84102517\" data-section=\"nyheter\" data-site-alias=\"dagbladet\">\n\n  <div class=\"content bg-white color_mobile_bg-white hasContentPadding mobile-hasContentPadding\" style=\"\">\n\n    <a href=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/oker-tilstedevaerelsen-en-snubletrad/84102517\" itemprop=\"url\">\n          \n          <figure class=\"\" data-element-guid=\"636561b6-db54-4618-8720-1b264619c689\" style=\"--padding-bottom-image: 45.00%; \">\n\n\n      <div class=\"img fullwidthTarget \">\n      <picture>\n        <source height=\"441\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" 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Men jeg vet at det ikke stemmer, sa Elisabeth Aaslie til <a href=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/norges-farligste-kvinne-snakker-ut/83378598\">Dagbladet i fjor</a>. </p><p class=\"font-weight-bold m-font-weight-bold\" data-lab-font_weight=\"font-weight-bold\">Hun har sittet bak murene i sju år. </p><p class=\"font-weight-normal m-font-weight-normal\" data-lab-font_weight=\"font-weight-normal\">I 2019 ble Elisabeth Aaslie dømt til 21 års forvaring for to drap. Retten slo fast at hun drepte Øystein Hagel Pedersen (67), som var far til to av hennes sju barn. </p><p class=\"font-weight-normal m-font-weight-normal\" data-lab-font_weight=\"font-weight-normal\">Han ble funnet død på et hotellrom i Kristiansand i april 2014.</p><p class=\"font-weight-normal m-font-weight-normal\" data-lab-font_weight=\"font-weight-normal\">Aaslie ble også dømt for drapet på sin egen far, Øyvind Terje Olsen (52), som døde i 2002. Ifølge dommen ble begge mennene forgiftet. </p><figure class=\"column expandwidth small-12 large-12 medium-12 small-abs-12 large-abs-12\" data-element-guid=\"e40c646e-16f4-479f-ae02-9a2db559efe2\">\n  \n  <div class=\"content \" style=\"\">\n\n    <div class=\"img fullwidthTarget\">\n      <picture>\n        <source height=\"381\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077513.webp?imageId=84077513&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=85.59&amp;width=1334&amp;height=762&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"667\">    \n        <source height=\"381\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077513.webp?imageId=84077513&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=85.59&amp;width=1334&amp;height=762&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"667\">    \n        <source height=\"217\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077513.webp?imageId=84077513&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=85.59&amp;width=760&amp;height=434&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"380\">\n        <source height=\"217\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077513.webp?imageId=84077513&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=85.59&amp;width=760&amp;height=434&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"380\">\n        <img alt=\"\" class=\"\" height=\"381\" src=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077513.webp?imageId=84077513&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=85.59&amp;width=1334&amp;height=762\" style=\"--aspect-ratio-image: 1.75; \" title=\"DØMT: Elisabeth Aaslie ble idømt Norges strengeste straff: 21 års forvaring. Foto: Lars Eivind Bones / Dagbladet\" width=\"667\">\n      </picture>\n      \n          </div>\n\n    <div class=\"caption \" data-showmore=\"Vis mer\">\n        <figcaption class=\"\" itemprop=\"caption\">DØMT: Elisabeth Aaslie ble idømt Norges strengeste straff: 21 års forvaring. Foto: Lars Eivind Bones / Dagbladet</figcaption>\n    </div>\n  </div>\n</figure>\n<p data-lab-font_weight=\"\">Kristiansand-kvinnen har hele tida nektet straffskyld. Hun mener blant annet at bevisene mot henne var plantet av politiet og at retten unnlot sentrale vitner.<br></p>  <div class=\"adunit-wrapper columns track-element small-12 large-12 medium-12\">\n    <div class=\"adunit GoogleActiveViewElement large-580x500\" data-collapse=\"false\" data-load-on=\"view\" data-out-of-page=\"\" data-sizes=\"[[580,400],[580,500],&quot;fluid&quot;]\" data-slot=\"/8578/dagbladet.no/seksjoner/kjendis/artikkel\" id=\"ad-netboardB2\" itemscope=\"\" itemtype=\"https://schema.org/WPAdBlock\" json=\"{&quot;targeting&quot;: { &quot;pos&quot;: &quot;netboardB2&quot;, &quot;platform&quot;: &quot;labrador dynamic&quot;,&quot;context&quot;:&quot;Or,drap,død,drept,fengsel,døde,barn,hus,data,EM,is,hotellrom&quot; }}\">\n    </div>\n\n  </div>\n<h2>«Norges Farligste kvinne»</h2><p>I den nye dokumentarserien «Jakten på Norges farligste kvinne» tar <a href=\"https://play.tv2.no/serier/jakten-paa-norges-farligste-kvinne-vsagbmr7\" target=\"_blank\">TV 2</a> et uvanlig grep ved å slippe seerne tett på politiets etterforskning gjennom flere lydopptak.<br></p><p>I dokumentaren skildres en omfattende politietterforskning som startet i desember 2014 og strakte seg over nærmere tre år. </p><p>Politiet brukte da en uvanlig metode: En kvinnelig betjent gikk undercover og bygget en tett relasjon til Elisabeth Aaslie for å få tilgang til opplysninger hun trolig ellers ikke ville delt. </p><p>Aaslie mener at det var hun som lurte politiet, ikke omvendt.<br></p><figure class=\"column expandwidth small-12 large-12 medium-12 small-abs-12 large-abs-12\" data-element-guid=\"a9bbdeba-1aae-4c72-9b37-5770e1a54234\">\n  \n  <div class=\"content \" style=\"\">\n\n    <div class=\"img fullwidthTarget\">\n      <picture>\n        <source height=\"381\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077518.webp?imageId=84077518&amp;x=6.95&amp;y=20.17&amp;cropw=93.05&amp;croph=79.83&amp;width=1334&amp;height=762&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"667\">    \n        <source height=\"381\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077518.webp?imageId=84077518&amp;x=6.95&amp;y=20.17&amp;cropw=93.05&amp;croph=79.83&amp;width=1334&amp;height=762&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"667\">    \n        <source height=\"217\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077518.webp?imageId=84077518&amp;x=6.95&amp;y=20.17&amp;cropw=93.05&amp;croph=79.83&amp;width=760&amp;height=434&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"380\">\n        <source height=\"217\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077518.webp?imageId=84077518&amp;x=6.95&amp;y=20.17&amp;cropw=93.05&amp;croph=79.83&amp;width=760&amp;height=434&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"380\">\n        <img alt=\"\" class=\"\" height=\"381\" src=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077518.webp?imageId=84077518&amp;x=6.95&amp;y=20.17&amp;cropw=93.05&amp;croph=79.83&amp;width=1334&amp;height=762\" style=\"--aspect-ratio-image: 1.75; \" title=\"FENGSEL: Elisabeth Aaslie soner dommen på 21 års forvaring i Bredtveit fengsel, hvor hun har sittet siden 2019. Her er hun avbildet da Dagbladet møtte henne der i 2019. Foto: Lars Eivind Bones / Dagbladet\" width=\"667\">\n      </picture>\n      \n          </div>\n\n    <div class=\"caption \" data-showmore=\"Vis mer\">\n        <figcaption class=\"\" itemprop=\"caption\">FENGSEL: Elisabeth Aaslie soner dommen på 21 års forvaring i Bredtveit fengsel, hvor hun har sittet siden 2019. Her er hun avbildet da Dagbladet møtte henne der i 2019. Foto: Lars Eivind Bones / Dagbladet</figcaption>\n    </div>\n  </div>\n</figure>\n<p>Over tid samlet undercoveragenten rundt 150 timer med lydopptak. </p>  <div class=\"adunit-wrapper columns track-element small-12 large-12 medium-12\">\n    <div class=\"adunit GoogleActiveViewElement large-580x500\" data-collapse=\"false\" data-load-on=\"view\" data-out-of-page=\"\" data-sizes=\"[[580,400],[580,500],&quot;fluid&quot;]\" data-slot=\"/8578/dagbladet.no/seksjoner/kjendis/artikkel\" id=\"ad-netboardB3\" itemscope=\"\" itemtype=\"https://schema.org/WPAdBlock\" json=\"{&quot;targeting&quot;: { &quot;pos&quot;: &quot;netboardB3&quot;, &quot;platform&quot;: &quot;labrador dynamic&quot;,&quot;context&quot;:&quot;Or,drap,død,drept,fengsel,døde,barn,hus,data,EM,is,hotellrom&quot; }}\">\n    </div>\n\n  </div>\n<p>På dette tidspunktet mistenkte etterforskerne at Aaslie kunne stå bak farens død, men bevisene var fortsatt for svake til å ta ut siktelse. </p><p>Samtidig hadde politiet fått opplysninger om at hun tidligere skal ha beskrevet konkrete planer for hvordan drapet kunne gjennomføres, kommer det fram i dokumentaren. </p><h2>Gravde opp kisten</h2><p>Videre tok politiet et sjeldent og kontroversielt grep: 15 år etter dødsfallet ble farens grav åpnet for rettsmedisinske undersøkelser.</p><p>Kisten ble hentet opp, og det ble tatt en rekke prøver, også jordprøver, noe som nesten aldri skjer, bekrefter Hege Cathrine Lytkis, overlege ved avdeling for rettsmedisinske fag ved Oslo universitetssykehus, i dokumentaren.</p><figure class=\"column expandwidth small-12 large-12 medium-12 small-abs-12 large-abs-12\" data-element-guid=\"2eb8a6ea-425c-4e1d-8d20-5db703d3afab\">\n  \n  <div class=\"content \" style=\"\">\n\n    <div class=\"img fullwidthTarget\">\n      <picture>\n        <source height=\"385\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077525.webp?imageId=84077525&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;width=1372&amp;height=770&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"686\">    \n        <source height=\"385\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077525.webp?imageId=84077525&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;width=1372&amp;height=770&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"686\">    \n        <source height=\"213\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077525.webp?imageId=84077525&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;width=760&amp;height=426&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"380\">\n        <source height=\"213\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077525.webp?imageId=84077525&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;width=760&amp;height=426&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"380\">\n        <img alt=\"\" class=\"\" height=\"385\" src=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077525.webp?imageId=84077525&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;width=1372&amp;height=770\" style=\"--aspect-ratio-image: 1.78; \" title=\"DOKUMENTAR: 5. januar hadde dokumentaren om Elisabeth Aaslie premiere på TV 2, hvor seerne får følge politiets etterforskning av Kristiansand-kvinnen. Foto: TV 2\" width=\"686\">\n      </picture>\n      \n          </div>\n\n    <div class=\"caption \" data-showmore=\"Vis mer\">\n        <figcaption class=\"\" itemprop=\"caption\">DOKUMENTAR: 5. januar hadde dokumentaren om Elisabeth Aaslie premiere på TV 2, hvor seerne får følge politiets etterforskning av Kristiansand-kvinnen. Foto: TV 2</figcaption>\n    </div>\n  </div>\n</figure>\n<p>Flere måneder seinere kom gjennombruddet: analyser viste spor av det angstdempende legemiddelet Vival. </p>  <div class=\"adunit-wrapper columns track-element small-12 large-12 medium-12\">\n    <div class=\"adunit GoogleActiveViewElement large-580x500\" data-collapse=\"false\" data-load-on=\"view\" data-out-of-page=\"\" data-sizes=\"[[580,400],[580,500],&quot;fluid&quot;]\" data-slot=\"/8578/dagbladet.no/seksjoner/kjendis/artikkel\" id=\"ad-netboardB4\" itemscope=\"\" itemtype=\"https://schema.org/WPAdBlock\" json=\"{&quot;targeting&quot;: { &quot;pos&quot;: &quot;netboardB4&quot;, &quot;platform&quot;: &quot;labrador dynamic&quot;,&quot;context&quot;:&quot;Or,drap,død,drept,fengsel,døde,barn,hus,data,EM,is,hotellrom&quot; }}\">\n    </div>\n\n  </div>\n<p>Funnet ble et sentralt element i saken som til slutt førte til dom.</p><h2>- Helt tyst</h2><p>Men mens serien setter søkelys på politiets arbeid og bevisene som førte til dom, har den også vekket sterke reaksjoner hos enkelte som står saken aller nærmest. </p><p class=\"font-weight-bold m-font-weight-bold\" data-lab-font_weight=\"font-weight-bold\">For Aaslies datter, Julia Klausen, er dokumentaren mer enn en «true crime». Den handler om hennes egen familie og barndom.<br></p><p>- Det er jo klart at når det blir annonsert at det skal komme en TV-produksjon, så håper man på at det skal komme fram noe som kan oppklare mer enn tidligere, sier Klausen til Dagbladet. </p><p>Hun legger til: </p><p>- Jeg har jo alltid et håp om at min mor skal snakke, men så er det helt tyst. Slik det har vært de siste sju årene. </p><figure class=\"column expandwidth small-12 large-12 medium-12 small-abs-12 large-abs-12\" data-element-guid=\"e6cf3712-6a47-4b04-91ec-770f7734218a\">\n  \n  <div class=\"content \" style=\"\">\n\n    <div class=\"img fullwidthTarget\">\n      <picture>\n        <source height=\"881\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077554.webp?imageId=84077554&amp;x=12.16&amp;y=5.09&amp;cropw=86.19&amp;croph=52.54&amp;width=1334&amp;height=1762&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"667\">    \n        <source height=\"881\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077554.webp?imageId=84077554&amp;x=12.16&amp;y=5.09&amp;cropw=86.19&amp;croph=52.54&amp;width=1334&amp;height=1762&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"667\">    \n        <source height=\"502\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077554.webp?imageId=84077554&amp;x=12.16&amp;y=5.09&amp;cropw=86.19&amp;croph=52.54&amp;width=760&amp;height=1004&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"380\">\n        <source height=\"502\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077554.webp?imageId=84077554&amp;x=12.16&amp;y=5.09&amp;cropw=86.19&amp;croph=52.54&amp;width=760&amp;height=1004&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"380\">\n        <img alt=\"\" class=\"\" height=\"881\" src=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077554.webp?imageId=84077554&amp;x=12.16&amp;y=5.09&amp;cropw=86.19&amp;croph=52.54&amp;width=1334&amp;height=1762\" style=\"--aspect-ratio-image: 0.76; \" title=\"BRYLLUP: Elisabeth Aaslie var til stede da datteren Julia giftet seg i 2015. Foto: Privat\" width=\"667\">\n      </picture>\n      \n          </div>\n\n    <div class=\"caption \" data-showmore=\"Vis mer\">\n        <figcaption class=\"\" itemprop=\"caption\">BRYLLUP: Elisabeth Aaslie var til stede da datteren Julia giftet seg i 2015. Foto: Privat</figcaption>\n    </div>\n  </div>\n</figure>\n<h2>- Framstår skyldig</h2>  <div class=\"adunit-wrapper columns track-element small-12 large-12 medium-12\">\n    <div class=\"adunit GoogleActiveViewElement large-580x500\" data-collapse=\"false\" data-load-on=\"view\" data-out-of-page=\"\" data-sizes=\"[[580,400],[580,500],&quot;fluid&quot;]\" data-slot=\"/8578/dagbladet.no/seksjoner/kjendis/artikkel\" id=\"ad-netboardB5\" itemscope=\"\" itemtype=\"https://schema.org/WPAdBlock\" json=\"{&quot;targeting&quot;: { &quot;pos&quot;: &quot;netboardB5&quot;, &quot;platform&quot;: &quot;labrador dynamic&quot;,&quot;context&quot;:&quot;Or,drap,død,drept,fengsel,døde,barn,hus,data,EM,is,hotellrom&quot; }}\">\n    </div>\n\n  </div>\n<p>Klausen kjenner en grunnleggende uro etter å ha sett dokumentaren om moren sin. </p><p>- Jeg sitter igjen med følelsen av at mamma ikke vil lappe sammen teppet jeg føler hun har rippet opp i selv, sier hun, før hun legger til at prosjektet «framstår som et forsøk på å justere hvordan andre ser på henne». </p><p class=\"font-weight-bold m-font-weight-bold\" data-lab-font_weight=\"font-weight-bold\">Ifølge Klausen har dette fått motsatt effekt av det hun opplever at moren selv hadde ønsket. </p><p>- Dessverre tror jeg det har bikket feil vei, jeg synes hun framstår skyldigere enn noen gang tidligere.<br></p><figure class=\"column expandwidth small-12 large-12 medium-12 small-abs-12 large-abs-12\" data-element-guid=\"db04b1df-2382-4549-8ec8-bd94abbeb5d0\">\n  \n  <div class=\"content \" style=\"\">\n\n    <div class=\"img fullwidthTarget\">\n      <picture>\n        <source height=\"634\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077641.webp?imageId=84077641&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=28.94&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=71.06&amp;width=1334&amp;height=1268&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"667\">    \n        <source height=\"634\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077641.webp?imageId=84077641&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=28.94&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=71.06&amp;width=1334&amp;height=1268&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"667\">    \n        <source height=\"361\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077641.webp?imageId=84077641&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=28.94&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=71.06&amp;width=760&amp;height=722&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"380\">\n        <source height=\"361\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077641.webp?imageId=84077641&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=28.94&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=71.06&amp;width=760&amp;height=722&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"380\">\n        <img alt=\"\" class=\"\" height=\"634\" src=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84077641.webp?imageId=84077641&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=28.94&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=71.06&amp;width=1334&amp;height=1268\" style=\"--aspect-ratio-image: 1.05; \" title=\"BARNDOMMEN: Julias forteller om en oppvekst preget av vold og konflikter, med en mor hun beskriver som uforutsigbar og ustabil. Foto: Privat\" width=\"667\">\n      </picture>\n      \n          </div>\n\n    <div class=\"caption \" data-showmore=\"Vis mer\">\n        <figcaption class=\"\" itemprop=\"caption\">BARNDOMMEN: Julias forteller om en oppvekst preget av vold og konflikter, med en mor hun beskriver som uforutsigbar og ustabil. Foto: Privat</figcaption>\n    </div>\n  </div>\n</figure>\n<p>Elisabeth Aaslie er forelagt alle datterens påstander i denne saken. Hun ønsker ikke å kommentere dem nærmere, men sier på telefon til Dagbladet at hun «vet at Julia har hatt det tøft» i forbindelse med saken. </p>  <div class=\"adunit-wrapper columns track-element small-12 large-12 medium-12\">\n    <div class=\"adunit GoogleActiveViewElement large-580x500\" data-collapse=\"false\" data-load-on=\"view\" data-out-of-page=\"\" data-sizes=\"[[580,400],[580,500],&quot;fluid&quot;]\" data-slot=\"/8578/dagbladet.no/seksjoner/kjendis/artikkel\" id=\"ad-netboardB6\" itemscope=\"\" itemtype=\"https://schema.org/WPAdBlock\" json=\"{&quot;targeting&quot;: { &quot;pos&quot;: &quot;netboardB6&quot;, &quot;platform&quot;: &quot;labrador dynamic&quot;,&quot;context&quot;:&quot;Or,drap,død,drept,fengsel,døde,barn,hus,data,EM,is,hotellrom&quot; }}\">\n    </div>\n\n  </div>\n<p>Datteren reagerer også på det hun mener er et snevert perspektiv, i dokumentarserien. </p><p>Klausen opplever at serien låser seg til ett spor. </p><p>- Jeg hadde nok forventet et litt mer helhetlig bilde av omfanget, da jeg føler serien utelukkende belyser undercoveroperasjonen og ikke omstendighetene rundt, sier hun, og karakteriserer resultatet som «litt ensformig og lite tilfredsstillende».</p><div class=\"byline column small-12 large-12 medium-12 small-abs-12 large-abs-12  \" data-element-guid=\"385a6a74-d480-4c73-b1e5-3b90dcbd5def\" itemscope itemtype=\"http://schema.org/Person\">\n    \n    <div class=\"content bg-yellow color_mobile_bg-yellow hasContentPadding mobile-hasContentPadding\">\n        <figure data-element-guid=\"bea730e1-34ce-4946-9ca1-a5540e9d9420\">\n    <picture>\n        <img alt=\"Trygve Rønningen\" height=\"180\" itemprop=\"image\" src=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84108386.webp?imageId=84108386&amp;x=33.28&amp;y=5.10&amp;cropw=35.96&amp;croph=53.92&amp;width=360&amp;height=360\" width=\"180\">\n    </picture>\n</figure>\n        <address class=\"name\">\n            \n            <span class=\"lab-hidden-byline-name\" itemprop=\"name\">Trygve Rønningen</span>\n            <span class=\"firstname\">Trygve</span>\n            <span class=\"lastname\">Rønningen</span>        \n            \n        </address>\n        <div class=\"extended_description \">Programdirektør, TV 2</div>\n    </div>\n</div>\n<p>TV 2s programredaktør Trygve Rønningen sier at deres journalistiske prosjekt først og fremst handlet om å dykke ned i etterforskningen som ledet fram til dommen mot Elisabeth Aaslie.</p>  <div class=\"adunit-wrapper columns track-element small-12 large-12 medium-12\">\n    <div class=\"adunit GoogleActiveViewElement large-580x500\" data-collapse=\"false\" data-load-on=\"view\" data-out-of-page=\"\" data-sizes=\"[[580,400],[580,500],&quot;fluid&quot;]\" data-slot=\"/8578/dagbladet.no/seksjoner/kjendis/artikkel\" id=\"ad-netboardB7\" itemscope=\"\" itemtype=\"https://schema.org/WPAdBlock\" json=\"{&quot;targeting&quot;: { &quot;pos&quot;: &quot;netboardB7&quot;, &quot;platform&quot;: &quot;labrador dynamic&quot;,&quot;context&quot;:&quot;Or,drap,død,drept,fengsel,døde,barn,hus,data,EM,is,hotellrom&quot; }}\">\n    </div>\n\n  </div>\n<p>- Vi har ønsket å belyse en omstridt politimetode ved å vise frem hvordan det ble sendt inn en hemmelig agent som innyndet seg, og på den måten fremskaffet beviser mot Aaslie, sier han.</p><article class=\" small-12 large-12 medium-12 small-abs-12 large-abs-12 preview-link \" data-element-guid=\"1eaa87fb-3101-4626-993a-0eb67b96570d\" data-instance=\"84074953\" data-section=\"kjendis\" data-site-alias=\"dagbladet\">\n\n  <div class=\"content bg-white color_mobile_bg-white hasContentPadding mobile-hasContentPadding\" style=\"\">\n\n    <a href=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/kjendis/utsetter-etter-drapet-hjerteskjaerende/84074953\" itemprop=\"url\">\n          \n          <figure class=\"\" data-element-guid=\"597b3436-964c-413c-ab24-c68cf16a0fd9\" style=\"--padding-bottom-image: 45.00%; \">\n\n\n      <div class=\"img fullwidthTarget \">\n      <picture>\n        <source height=\"441\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84075028.webp?imageId=84075028&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;heightx=0.00&amp;heighty=0.00&amp;heightw=100.00&amp;heighth=100.00&amp;width=1960&amp;height=882&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"980\">    \n        <source height=\"441\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84075028.webp?imageId=84075028&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;heightx=0.00&amp;heighty=0.00&amp;heightw=100.00&amp;heighth=100.00&amp;width=1960&amp;height=882&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"980\">    \n        <source height=\"171\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84075028.webp?imageId=84075028&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;heightx=0.00&amp;heighty=0.00&amp;heightw=100.00&amp;heighth=100.00&amp;width=760&amp;height=342&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"380\">\n        <source height=\"171\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84075028.webp?imageId=84075028&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;heightx=0.00&amp;heighty=0.00&amp;heightw=100.00&amp;heighth=100.00&amp;width=760&amp;height=342&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"380\">\n        <img alt=\"\" class=\"lazyload\" data-src=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84075028.webp?imageId=84075028&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;heightx=0.00&amp;heighty=0.00&amp;heightw=100.00&amp;heighth=100.00&amp;width=1960&amp;height=882\" height=\"441\" style=\"--aspect-ratio-image: 2.22; \" title=\"Utsetter etter drapet: - Hjerteskjærende\" width=\"980\">\n      </picture>\n      \n            </div>\n\n  \n\n\n\n</figure>\n\n\n      <header data-before-content=\"Les også\">\n        <h3 class=\"headline\">Utsetter etter drapet: - Hjerteskjærende</h3>\n\n\n      </header>\n      <span class=\"arrow\">\n          <svg height=\"24\" viewbox=\"0 0 24 17\" width=\"24\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\">\n              <g fill=\"none\" fill-rule=\"evenodd\" stroke-linecap=\"round\" stroke-width=\"1.2\">\n                  <path d=\"M15.4 1l4 3.825 4 3.775-4 3.825-4 3.775\" stroke-linejoin=\"round\"></path>\n                  <path d=\"M22.2 8.6H1\"></path>\n              </g>\n          </svg>\n      </span>\n    </a>\n\n  </div>\n\n</article>\n<h2>- Brudd på loven</h2><p>Et annet moment datteren savner, er et tydeligere fokus på barna og konsekvensene etterforskningen av moren hadde for dem. </p><p>- Jeg savner større ståhei omkring barnas rettigheter, og hva etterforskningen gikk på bekostning av, som barnas sikkerhet, sier Klausen. </p><p>Hun synes at politiet burde ha gjort mer. </p><figure class=\"column expandwidth small-12 large-12 medium-12 small-abs-12 large-abs-12\" data-element-guid=\"5606c2e0-661e-4b9c-8338-95bdf6b9cf2d\">\n  \n  <div class=\"content \" style=\"\">\n\n    <div class=\"img fullwidthTarget\">\n      <picture>\n        <source height=\"460\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84098171.webp?imageId=84098171&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;width=1372&amp;height=920&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"686\">    \n        <source height=\"460\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84098171.webp?imageId=84098171&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;width=1372&amp;height=920&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"686\">    \n        <source height=\"255\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84098171.webp?imageId=84098171&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;width=760&amp;height=510&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"380\">\n        <source height=\"255\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84098171.webp?imageId=84098171&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;width=760&amp;height=510&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"380\">\n        <img alt=\"\" class=\"\" height=\"460\" src=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84098171.webp?imageId=84098171&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;width=1372&amp;height=920\" style=\"--aspect-ratio-image: 1.49; \" title=\"VED MORMORS GRAV: Julia sto sin mormor svært nær, som gikk bort i 2016. Her besøker hun graven sammen med hundene sine. Foto: Geir Egeland / NRK\" width=\"686\">\n      </picture>\n      \n          </div>\n\n    <div class=\"caption \" data-showmore=\"Vis mer\">\n        <figcaption class=\"\" itemprop=\"caption\">VED MORMORS GRAV: Julia sto sin mormor svært nær, som gikk bort i 2016. Her besøker hun graven sammen med hundene sine. Foto: Geir Egeland / NRK</figcaption>\n    </div>\n  </div>\n</figure>\n<p>- Jeg mener jo at politiet på et tidlig tidspunkt har stått over en avvergingsplikt som de bevisst har styrt unna, noe som er et brudd på loven, forteller Klausen.</p>  <div class=\"adunit-wrapper columns track-element small-12 large-12 medium-12\">\n    <div class=\"adunit GoogleActiveViewElement large-580x500\" data-collapse=\"false\" data-load-on=\"view\" data-out-of-page=\"\" data-sizes=\"[[580,400],[580,500],&quot;fluid&quot;]\" data-slot=\"/8578/dagbladet.no/seksjoner/kjendis/artikkel\" id=\"ad-netboardB8\" itemscope=\"\" itemtype=\"https://schema.org/WPAdBlock\" json=\"{&quot;targeting&quot;: { &quot;pos&quot;: &quot;netboardB8&quot;, &quot;platform&quot;: &quot;labrador dynamic&quot;,&quot;context&quot;:&quot;Or,drap,død,drept,fengsel,døde,barn,hus,data,EM,is,hotellrom&quot; }}\">\n    </div>\n\n  </div>\n<p>Påtaleleder i Agder politidistrikt, Terje Kaddeberg Skaar er forelagt kritikken fra Julia Klausen, men ønsker ikke å kommentere saken.<br></p><p>Programdirektør Rønningen bedyrer også at det har hatt tatt hensyn til Aaslies barn.</p><p class=\"no_italic m-no_italic\" data-lab-italic=\"\">-  Vi spurte Julia om å stille opp til intervju i dokumentaren, noe hun valgte å takke nei til. For oss har det vært viktig å gjøre belastningen på Aaslies barn så liten som mulig. </p><h2>Beskyttet moren </h2><p>I lang tid valgte Julia å være der for moren sin, og å tro på hennes versjon av saken. Hun var bekymret for at moren skulle ta sitt eget liv i fengsel, og snakket derfor med henne jevnlig. </p><p class=\"font-weight-bold m-font-weight-bold\" data-lab-font_weight=\"font-weight-bold\">Men en aprildag i 2022 ble alt snudd på hodet.</p><div class=\"column factbox state-expanded-desktop small-12 large-12 medium-12 small-abs-12 large-abs-12 style-fade expandable-mobile expandable-desktop collapsable-mobile collapsable-desktop\" data-element-guid=\"8421eff9-8501-4a5a-8dc4-4db3a85b4dd0\" id=\"factbox-84077657\">\n  \n  <div class=\"content bg-gray color_mobile_bg-gray hasContentPadding mobile-hasContentPadding\" style=\"\">\n    \n    \n    <h2 class=\"\" style=\"\">Trenger du noen å snakke med?</h2>\n    <div class=\"fact collapsableContent \">\n      <p>Ring 113</p><p>Ved akutt fare for selvmord, ring 113 umiddelbart. Ring heller en gang for mye enn en gang for lite.</p><p>Mental Helse</p><p>Mental Helse tilbyr døgnåpen telefontjeneste og nettjeneste for alle som trenger noen å snakke med. Ring 116 123 eller gå inn på <a href=\"https://sidetmedord.mentalhelse.no/\">Sidetmedord.no</a>.</p><p>Mental Helse Ungdom</p><p><a href=\"https://mentalhelseungdom.no/fa-hjelp/\">Mental Helse Ungdom tilbyr chat</a> for unge voksne som trenger noen å snakke med.</p><p>Kirkens SOS</p><p>Kirkens SOS Norge har døgnåpen hjelpetelefon, chat og meldingstjenestene. Ring 22 4000 40 eller gå inn på <a href=\"https://www.kirkens-sos.no/telefon\">kirkens-sos.no</a>.</p><p>Kilde: <a href=\"https://www.helsenorge.no/psykisk-helse/trenger-du-noen-a-snakke-med/?gad_source=1&amp;gclid=CjwKCAjwufq2BhAmEiwAnZqw8kOXj-otjPbpepM1ATjWAlnETKsaqeE2IA04nerg9YT5jM7QhqU_txoCEucQAvD_BwE\">Helsenorge.no</a></p>\n    </div>\n    <button aria-controls=\"factbox-content\" aria-expanded=\"false\" class=\"toggle\">\n      <span class=\"toggle-text read-more\">Vis mer</span>\n      <span class=\"toggle-text read-less\">Vis mindre</span>\n    </button>\n  </div>\n\n      \n</div>\n<p>- Jeg hadde jo holdt på med denne jattinga, (stadige samtaler med moren, journ.anm) i flere år, og var blitt veldig lei. Men så sier hun noe i en videosamtale som snudde hele virkelighetsoppfatninga mi. </p><article class=\" small-12 large-12 medium-12 small-abs-12 large-abs-12 preview-link \" data-element-guid=\"1eb84bd0-dc0b-4e2a-90f6-88d3f41d5e4e\" data-instance=\"84073527\" data-section=\"kjendis\" data-site-alias=\"dagbladet\">\n\n  <div class=\"content bg-white color_mobile_bg-white hasContentPadding mobile-hasContentPadding\" style=\"\">\n\n    <a href=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/kjendis/misbrukt-i-svindel-falsk/84073527\" itemprop=\"url\">\n          \n          <figure class=\"\" data-element-guid=\"e2445f20-0411-45e1-9ea2-374a14419616\" style=\"--padding-bottom-image: 45.00%; \">\n\n\n      <div class=\"img fullwidthTarget \">\n      <picture>\n        <source height=\"441\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84073710.webp?imageId=84073710&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=5.61&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=45.26&amp;heightx=0.00&amp;heighty=0.00&amp;heightw=100.00&amp;heighth=100.00&amp;width=1960&amp;height=882&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"980\">    \n        <source height=\"441\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84073710.webp?imageId=84073710&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=5.61&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=45.26&amp;heightx=0.00&amp;heighty=0.00&amp;heightw=100.00&amp;heighth=100.00&amp;width=1960&amp;height=882&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"980\">    \n        <source height=\"171\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84073710.webp?imageId=84073710&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=5.61&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=45.26&amp;heightx=0.00&amp;heighty=0.00&amp;heightw=100.00&amp;heighth=100.00&amp;width=760&amp;height=342&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"380\">\n        <source height=\"171\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84073710.webp?imageId=84073710&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=5.61&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=45.26&amp;heightx=0.00&amp;heighty=0.00&amp;heightw=100.00&amp;heighth=100.00&amp;width=760&amp;height=342&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"380\">\n        <img alt=\"\" class=\"lazyload\" data-src=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84073710.webp?imageId=84073710&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=5.61&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=45.26&amp;heightx=0.00&amp;heighty=0.00&amp;heightw=100.00&amp;heighth=100.00&amp;width=1960&amp;height=882\" height=\"441\" style=\"--aspect-ratio-image: 2.22; \" title=\"Misbrukt i svindel: - Falsk\" width=\"980\">\n      </picture>\n      \n            </div>\n\n  \n\n\n\n</figure>\n\n\n      <header data-before-content=\"Les også\">\n        <h3 class=\"headline\">Misbrukt i svindel: - Falsk</h3>\n\n\n      </header>\n      <span class=\"arrow\">\n          <svg height=\"24\" viewbox=\"0 0 24 17\" width=\"24\" xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/2000/svg\">\n              <g fill=\"none\" fill-rule=\"evenodd\" stroke-linecap=\"round\" stroke-width=\"1.2\">\n                  <path d=\"M15.4 1l4 3.825 4 3.775-4 3.825-4 3.775\" stroke-linejoin=\"round\"></path>\n                  <path d=\"M22.2 8.6H1\"></path>\n              </g>\n          </svg>\n      </span>\n    </a>\n\n  </div>\n\n</article>\n<div class=\"markup\">\n    \n    <div class=\"track-element\" id=\"read-75-percentage\"></div>\n    \n</div>\n<p>Hun fortsetter: </p>  <div class=\"adunit-wrapper columns track-element small-12 large-12 medium-12\">\n    <div class=\"adunit GoogleActiveViewElement large-580x500\" data-collapse=\"false\" data-load-on=\"view\" data-out-of-page=\"\" data-sizes=\"[[580,400],[580,500],&quot;fluid&quot;]\" data-slot=\"/8578/dagbladet.no/seksjoner/kjendis/artikkel\" id=\"ad-netboardB9\" itemscope=\"\" itemtype=\"https://schema.org/WPAdBlock\" json=\"{&quot;targeting&quot;: { &quot;pos&quot;: &quot;netboardB9&quot;, &quot;platform&quot;: &quot;labrador dynamic&quot;,&quot;context&quot;:&quot;Or,drap,død,drept,fengsel,døde,barn,hus,data,EM,is,hotellrom&quot; }}\">\n    </div>\n\n  </div>\n<p>- Mamma lener seg inn mot kameraet på mobilen og sier: «Julia, jeg har aldri slått noen». I det øyeblikket gikk det opp for meg. Det var som lyn fra klar himmel.</p><p>- Alle de gangene hun har banket meg opp, til jeg trodde jeg skulle dø, alt kom tilbake. Og da skjønte jeg: Når du kan se meg i øynene og si at du aldri har slått noen, da er det selvfølgelig også mulig at du har drept noen.</p><figure class=\"column expandwidth small-12 large-12 medium-12 small-abs-12 large-abs-12\" data-element-guid=\"0a8c466c-2bc8-4486-97cf-b779363d45b5\">\n  \n  <div class=\"content \" style=\"\">\n\n    <div class=\"img fullwidthTarget\">\n      <picture>\n        <source height=\"549\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84106137.webp?imageId=84106137&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;width=1372&amp;height=1098&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"686\">    \n        <source height=\"549\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84106137.webp?imageId=84106137&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;width=1372&amp;height=1098&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"686\">    \n        <source height=\"304\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84106137.webp?imageId=84106137&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;width=760&amp;height=608&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"380\">\n        <source height=\"304\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84106137.webp?imageId=84106137&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;width=760&amp;height=608&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"380\">\n        <img alt=\"\" class=\"\" height=\"549\" src=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84106137.webp?imageId=84106137&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=100.00&amp;width=1372&amp;height=1098\" style=\"--aspect-ratio-image: 1.25; \" title=\"LOVENS STRENGESTE: I Bredtveit fengsel soner Elisabeth Terese Aaslie lovens strengeste straff for to overlagte drap; 21 års forvaring med en minstetid på ti år. Foto: Lars Eivind Bones\" width=\"686\">\n      </picture>\n      \n          </div>\n\n    <div class=\"caption \" data-showmore=\"Vis mer\">\n        <figcaption class=\"\" itemprop=\"caption\">LOVENS STRENGESTE: I Bredtveit fengsel soner Elisabeth Terese Aaslie lovens strengeste straff for to overlagte drap; 21 års forvaring med en minstetid på ti år. Foto: Lars Eivind Bones</figcaption>\n    </div>\n  </div>\n</figure>\n<p>På telefon fra fengselet sier Elisabeth Aaslie at hun forholder seg til «det Julia sa i avhør i 2017», altså da rettssaken mot henne pågikk. </p><p>- Hun har tidligere sagt til meg at jeg har vært den eneste tryggheten hun har hatt, så dette er bare fryktelig trist. Julia er min førstefødte som jeg elsker over alt på denne jord, sier hun.</p>  <div class=\"adunit-wrapper columns track-element small-12 large-12 medium-12\">\n    <div class=\"adunit GoogleActiveViewElement large-580x500\" data-collapse=\"false\" data-load-on=\"view\" data-out-of-page=\"\" data-sizes=\"[[580,400],[580,500],&quot;fluid&quot;]\" data-slot=\"/8578/dagbladet.no/seksjoner/kjendis/artikkel\" id=\"ad-netboardB10\" itemscope=\"\" itemtype=\"https://schema.org/WPAdBlock\" json=\"{&quot;targeting&quot;: { &quot;pos&quot;: &quot;netboardB10&quot;, &quot;platform&quot;: &quot;labrador dynamic&quot;,&quot;context&quot;:&quot;Or,drap,død,drept,fengsel,døde,barn,hus,data,EM,is,hotellrom&quot; }}\">\n    </div>\n\n  </div>\n<h2>«Jeg er Ikke min mors datter»</h2><p>Samtalen i 2022 utløser et sterkt behov hos Julia for å nøste opp i sin egen historie. Hun ønsker å forstå bakgrunnen for den dype angsten og frykten som har preget henne.<br></p><p>Arbeidet resulterte i boka «Ikke min mors datter», som ble utgitt i fjor. </p><p>Der skildrer hun oppveksten sin, slik hun husker den.</p><p>- Jeg gikk til politiet for å anmelde moren min. Hun slo meg gjennom hele oppveksten, og jeg opplever henne som livsfarlig. Jeg ønsket ikke lenger å ha noe med henne å gjøre. Likevel tok det nesten et år før jeg fikk svar, og da ble saken henlagt. Derfor følte jeg et behov for å fortelle min side av historien. </p><h3>Reagerer kraftig</h3><p>Julias anklager om vold har aldri vært anmeldt eller prøvd for retten. </p><p>Forsvareren til Aaslie, Arvid Sjødin, reagerer kraftig på Julias påstander om vold gjennom oppveksten.</p><figure class=\"column expandwidth small-12 large-12 medium-12 small-abs-12 large-abs-12\" data-element-guid=\"29bab721-c725-457a-aa97-b891bea3c937\">\n  \n  <div class=\"content \" style=\"\">\n\n    <div class=\"img fullwidthTarget\">\n      <picture>\n        <source height=\"381\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84106223.webp?imageId=84106223&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=85.59&amp;width=1334&amp;height=762&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"667\">    \n        <source height=\"381\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84106223.webp?imageId=84106223&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=85.59&amp;width=1334&amp;height=762&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"667\">    \n        <source height=\"217\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84106223.webp?imageId=84106223&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=85.59&amp;width=760&amp;height=434&amp;format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"380\">\n        <source height=\"217\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84106223.webp?imageId=84106223&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=85.59&amp;width=760&amp;height=434&amp;format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"380\">\n        <img alt=\"\" class=\"\" height=\"381\" src=\"https://www.dagbladet.no/images/84106223.webp?imageId=84106223&amp;x=0.00&amp;y=0.00&amp;cropw=100.00&amp;croph=85.59&amp;width=1334&amp;height=762\" style=\"--aspect-ratio-image: 1.75; \" title=\"PROFILERT: Arvid Sjødin har vært og er involvert i en rekke profilerte rettssaker. Foto: Hans Arne Vedlog\" width=\"667\">\n      </picture>\n      \n          </div>\n\n    <div class=\"caption \" data-showmore=\"Vis mer\">\n        <figcaption class=\"\" itemprop=\"caption\">PROFILERT: Arvid Sjødin har vært og er involvert i en rekke profilerte rettssaker. Foto: Hans Arne Vedlog</figcaption>\n    </div>\n  </div>\n</figure>\n<p>- Det er uriktig det datteren sier. I avhør i 2017 roset hun moren opp i skyene. Det hun sa i 2017 er det motsatte av det hun sier nå, sier Sjødin til Dagbladet. </p>  <div class=\"adunit-wrapper columns track-element small-12 large-12 medium-12\">\n    <div class=\"adunit GoogleActiveViewElement large-580x500\" data-collapse=\"false\" data-load-on=\"view\" data-out-of-page=\"\" data-sizes=\"[[580,400],[580,500],&quot;fluid&quot;]\" data-slot=\"/8578/dagbladet.no/seksjoner/kjendis/artikkel\" id=\"ad-netboardB11\" itemscope=\"\" itemtype=\"https://schema.org/WPAdBlock\" json=\"{&quot;targeting&quot;: { &quot;pos&quot;: &quot;netboardB11&quot;, &quot;platform&quot;: &quot;labrador dynamic&quot;,&quot;context&quot;:&quot;Or,drap,død,drept,fengsel,døde,barn,hus,data,EM,is,hotellrom&quot; }}\">\n    </div>\n\n  </div>\n<p>Klausen synes ikke noe om at morens forsvarer kaller henne en løgner:</p><p>- Han forteller at alt det jeg sier er uriktig. Og det er greit at de er uenige i mine meninger, men når en advokat sier at alt er uriktig, så syns jeg det blir veldig feil. 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   "summary" : "Tidligere Nato-sjef, finansminister Jens Stoltenberg (Ap) sier at han ikke kan love at USA blir i Nato. - Det kan ingen. Derfor må vi gjøre det vi kan for at de gjør det.",
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   "title" : "- Kan ikke love at USA blir",
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