– Jeg har mine tvil om Natos overlevelse
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Tysklands tidligere utenriksminister mener tilliten til USA er borte, og at det kan føre til et mer europeisk Nato.
USAs president Donald Trump har i lang tid sådd tvil om amerikanernes videre engasjement i Nato, og har ikke utelukket at USA sågar kan trekke seg helt ut av alliansen.
Joschka Fischer, som var Tysklands utenriksminister og visestatsminister i perioden 1995 til 2005, er usikker på om dagens Nato vil bestå.
– Vi kan ganske enkelt ikke stole på USA mer i framtiden. Jeg har mine tvil om Natos overlevelse, sier han i et stort intervju med Der Spiegel.
– Er situasjonen så alvorlig?
– I hvert fall som en transatlantisk allianse. Jeg tror det vil være fornuftig at et europeisk Nato fortsetter å eksistere, svarer Fischer, som legger til at Tyskland er et av landene som må styrke og forbedre sin militære posisjon siden USA ikke lenger ser ut til å fungere som en beskyttende makt.
En ny Trump?
Torsdag skrev Donald Trump at USA undersøker muligheten for å redusere antall amerikanske styrker i Tyskland, og fredag ble det kjent at USA skal hente hjem 5000 soldater fra landet. Trump har under begge sine presidentperioder truet med å redusere antallet soldater i europeiske land som en del av hans kritikk mot Nato, skriver NTB.
At USA teoretisk kan få en president som endrer kurs igjen etter 2028-valget, mener Fischer ikke har så mye å si.
– Hvem kan garantere at det ikke kommer en ny Trump etter det? Tilliten er borte, og den kan ikke gjenopprettes gjennom et annet valgresultat, uansett hvor mye jeg håper på det. Stabiliteten i den transatlantiske alliansen hvilte på denne tilliten, sier tyskeren.
Fischer er ikke den eneste som har luftet muligheten for et europeisk «mini-Nato».
– Jeg tror mange vil gå veldig langt for å opprettholde dagens Nato og den amerikanske interessen i alliansen, også internt i USA. Men en kriseløsning med et «mini-Nato» i Nord-Europa er litt mer sannsynlig nå enn det var tidligere, sa Paal Sigurd Hilde til Dagsavisen i vinter.
Hilde er professor ved Institutt for forsvarsstudier, og har blant annet Nato og nordområdene som spesialfelt.
– I et slikt «mini-Nato» vil de nordiske landene, de baltiske landene, Benelux, Storbritannia og Tyskland være åpenbare kandidater – land som har veldig felles synspunkter på en god del ting.
Allerede i 2024 sa Hilde til Dagsavisen at en «ny», Nato-lignende allianse kan vokse fram i Nord-Europa hvis Donald Trump trekker USA ut av Nato.
Bærebjelken i Nato
Nato-ekspert og Nupi-forsker Karsten Friis, som også er spaltist i Dagsavisen, har uttalt at det ikke kan eksistere et Nato uten USA.
– Nei, da er det ikke Nato lenger. USA er bærebjelken i Nato, med atomparaplyen som viktigste element. Uten den sliter de andre allierte veldig, sa Friis til Dagsavisen i januar.
– Men kan det oppstå en ny type allianse i Europa?
– Ja, hvis USA skulle gå ut av Nato. Det er det ingenting som tyder på nå. Men hvis USA formelt skulle gå ut, vil man sannsynligvis se en slags koalisjon av villige, lik den vi ser nå, med nordeuropeiske land, svarte forskeren, som legger til at han ser på det som et lite realistisk scenario at USA og Donald Trump kommer til å gå ut av Nato, svarte Friis.
Norges forsvarsminister Tore O. Sandvik (Ap) har uttalt til NTB at han er sterk i troen på at Nato består:
– Nato kommer ikke til å ryke. Nato er en gjensidig forsvarsallianse, der USA er en viktig sikkerhetsgarantist, sa Sandvik til nyhetsbyrået i vinter.
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USAs president Donald Trump har i lang tid sådd tvil om amerikanernes videre engasjement i Nato, og har ikke utelukket at USA sågar kan trekke seg helt ut av alliansen.
Joschka Fischer, som var Tysklands utenriksminister og visestatsminister i perioden 1995 til 2005, er usikker på om dagens Nato vil bestå.
– Vi kan ganske enkelt ikke stole på USA mer i framtiden. Jeg har mine tvil om Natos overlevelse, sier han i et stort intervju med Der Spiegel.
– Er situasjonen så alvorlig?
– I hvert fall som en transatlantisk allianse. Jeg tror det vil være fornuftig at et europeisk Nato fortsetter å eksistere, svarer Fischer, som legger til at Tyskland er et av landene som må styrke og forbedre sin militære posisjon siden USA ikke lenger ser ut til å fungere som en beskyttende makt.
En ny Trump?
Torsdag skrev Donald Trump at USA undersøker muligheten for å redusere antall amerikanske styrker i Tyskland, og fredag ble det kjent at USA skal hente hjem 5000 soldater fra landet. Trump har under begge sine presidentperioder truet med å redusere antallet soldater i europeiske land som en del av hans kritikk mot Nato, skriver NTB.
At USA teoretisk kan få en president som endrer kurs igjen etter 2028-valget, mener Fischer ikke har så mye å si.
– Hvem kan garantere at det ikke kommer en ny Trump etter det? Tilliten er borte, og den kan ikke gjenopprettes gjennom et annet valgresultat, uansett hvor mye jeg håper på det. Stabiliteten i den transatlantiske alliansen hvilte på denne tilliten, sier tyskeren.
Fischer er ikke den eneste som har luftet muligheten for et europeisk «mini-Nato».
– Jeg tror mange vil gå veldig langt for å opprettholde dagens Nato og den amerikanske interessen i alliansen, også internt i USA. Men en kriseløsning med et «mini-Nato» i Nord-Europa er litt mer sannsynlig nå enn det var tidligere, sa Paal Sigurd Hilde til Dagsavisen i vinter.
Hilde er professor ved Institutt for forsvarsstudier, og har blant annet Nato og nordområdene som spesialfelt.
– I et slikt «mini-Nato» vil de nordiske landene, de baltiske landene, Benelux, Storbritannia og Tyskland være åpenbare kandidater – land som har veldig felles synspunkter på en god del ting.
Allerede i 2024 sa Hilde til Dagsavisen at en «ny», Nato-lignende allianse kan vokse fram i Nord-Europa hvis Donald Trump trekker USA ut av Nato.
Bærebjelken i Nato
Nato-ekspert og Nupi-forsker Karsten Friis, som også er spaltist i Dagsavisen, har uttalt at det ikke kan eksistere et Nato uten USA.
– Nei, da er det ikke Nato lenger. USA er bærebjelken i Nato, med atomparaplyen som viktigste element. Uten den sliter de andre allierte veldig, sa Friis til Dagsavisen i januar.
– Men kan det oppstå en ny type allianse i Europa?
– Ja, hvis USA skulle gå ut av Nato. Det er det ingenting som tyder på nå. Men hvis USA formelt skulle gå ut, vil man sannsynligvis se en slags koalisjon av villige, lik den vi ser nå, med nordeuropeiske land, svarte forskeren, som legger til at han ser på det som et lite realistisk scenario at USA og Donald Trump kommer til å gå ut av Nato, svarte Friis.
Norges forsvarsminister Tore O. Sandvik (Ap) har uttalt til NTB at han er sterk i troen på at Nato består:
– Nato kommer ikke til å ryke. Nato er en gjensidig forsvarsallianse, der USA er en viktig sikkerhetsgarantist, sa Sandvik til nyhetsbyrået i vinter.
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<h1 class="headline mainTitle t56 font-PTSans" style="">– Jeg har mine tvil om Natos overlevelse</h1>
<p class="subtitle font-PTSans" style="">Tysklands tidligere utenriksminister mener tilliten til USA er borte, og at det kan føre til et mer europeisk Nato.</p>
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<figcaption class="" itemprop="caption">Tyskland må forbedre sin militære posisjon på grunn av nye toner fra USA, sier landets tidligere utenriksminister. Her er tyske soldater avbildet på Nato-øvelse.</figcaption>
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<p class="no_italic m-no_italic font-PTSans" data-lab-fontface="PTSans" data-lab-italic="">USAs president Donald Trump har i lang tid sådd tvil om amerikanernes videre engasjement i Nato, og har ikke utelukket at USA sågar kan trekke seg helt ut av alliansen.</p><p>Joschka Fischer, som var Tysklands utenriksminister og visestatsminister i perioden 1995 til 2005, er usikker på om dagens Nato vil bestå.</p><p>– Vi kan ganske enkelt ikke stole på USA mer i framtiden. Jeg har mine tvil om Natos overlevelse, sier han i et stort intervju med <a href="https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/ex-german-foreign-minister-joschka-fischer-i-have-my-doubts-about-natos-survival-a-d9ecdbfc-8b8f-4c2b-a7f7-98c48a2a4c7a" target="_blank">Der Spiegel</a>.</p><figure class="column desktop-floatCenter mobile-floatCenter small-12 large-8 small-abs-12 large-abs-8" data-element-guid="625a9a06-03b6-4b9f-9f7d-44a3240274a4">
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<p><span class="italic m-italic " data-lab-italic="italic">– Er situasjonen så alvorlig?</span></p><div class="column google-ad display-label widthFull" data-element-guid="22216cb3-cfe8-428a-c2e9-2796887dd39a" style="">
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<p>– I hvert fall som en transatlantisk allianse. Jeg tror det vil være fornuftig at et europeisk Nato fortsetter å eksistere, svarer Fischer, som legger til at Tyskland er et av landene som må styrke og forbedre sin militære posisjon siden USA ikke lenger ser ut til å fungere som en beskyttende makt.</p><article class="column desktop-floatCenter mobile-floatCenter paywall small-12 large-8 small-abs-12 large-abs-8 " data-element-guid="ddf3ed70-7ba4-4ed3-9b16-b118041eb424" data-image-float="floatRight" data-instance="10323214" data-section="nyheter" data-site-alias="dagsavisen" itemscope>
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<h2>En ny Trump?</h2><p>Torsdag skrev Donald Trump at USA undersøker muligheten for å redusere antall amerikanske styrker i Tyskland, <a href="https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/nato-i-dialog-med-usa-etter-tilbaketrekking-av-soldater-fra-tyskland/10327095" target="_blank">og fredag ble det kjent at USA skal hente hjem 5000 soldater fra landet</a>. <span>Trump</span> har under begge sine presidentperioder truet med å redusere antallet soldater i europeiske land som en del av hans kritikk mot Nato, skriver NTB.</p><p>At USA teoretisk kan få en president som endrer kurs igjen etter 2028-valget, mener Fischer ikke har så mye å si.</p><div class="column google-ad display-label widthFull" data-element-guid="eb3caaae-6693-446a-e557-3ea99d1567f7" style="">
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<p>– Hvem kan garantere at det ikke kommer en ny Trump etter det? Tilliten er borte, og den kan ikke gjenopprettes gjennom et annet valgresultat, uansett hvor mye jeg håper på det. Stabiliteten i den transatlantiske alliansen hvilte på denne tilliten, sier tyskeren.</p><figure class="column desktop-floatCenter mobile-floatCenter small-12 large-8 small-abs-12 large-abs-8" data-element-guid="26636429-a678-4f0b-a066-69d7b963a0d1">
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<p>Fischer er ikke den eneste som har luftet muligheten for et europeisk «mini-Nato».</p><p>– Jeg tror mange vil gå veldig langt for å opprettholde dagens Nato og den amerikanske interessen i alliansen, også internt i USA. Men en kriseløsning med et «mini-Nato» i Nord-Europa er litt mer sannsynlig nå enn det var tidligere, <a href="https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/et-mini-nato-uten-usa-hvis-det-verste-skulle-skje/10139690" target="_blank">sa Paal Sigurd Hilde til Dagsavisen i vinter</a>.</p><p>Hilde er professor ved Institutt for forsvarsstudier, og har blant annet Nato og nordområdene som spesialfelt.</p><div class="column google-ad display-label widthFull" data-element-guid="bd41fe70-bc53-47f1-c7a1-5b9fa06e2a52" style="">
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<p>– I et slikt «mini-Nato» vil de nordiske landene, de baltiske landene, Benelux, Storbritannia og Tyskland være åpenbare kandidater – land som har veldig felles synspunkter på en god del ting.</p><figure class="column desktop-floatRight mobile-floatRight small-12 large-4 small-abs-12 large-abs-4" data-element-guid="fad4c4f8-9665-4186-b44b-5cda73f6ec15">
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<p>Allerede i<a href="https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/ekspert-om-trumps-trusler-kan-bli-et-mini-nato-i-nord-europa/5649001" target="_blank"> 2024 sa Hilde til Dagsavisen</a> at en «ny», Nato-lignende allianse kan vokse fram i Nord-Europa hvis Donald Trump trekker USA ut av Nato.</p><h2>Bærebjelken i Nato</h2><p>Nato-ekspert og <dfn role="button" tabindex="0" title="Norsk utenrikspolitisk institutt">Nupi</dfn>-forsker Karsten Friis, som også er spaltist i Dagsavisen, har uttalt at det ikke kan eksistere et Nato uten USA.</p><div class="column google-ad display-label widthFull" data-element-guid="fcf0b577-3c82-4993-e4b8-3badc58e9628" style="">
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<p>– Nei, da er det ikke Nato lenger. USA er bærebjelken i Nato, med <dfn role="button" tabindex="0" title="(Militær) trygghet, sikkerhet som en stormakts atomvåpen tenkes å gi alliert, for eksempel mindre land som er uten atomvåpen og kjenner seg truet av en annen stormakt med slike våpen. (NAOB)">atomparaplyen</dfn> som viktigste element. Uten den sliter de andre allierte veldig, sa Friis til Dagsavisen i januar.</p><figure class="column desktop-floatRight mobile-floatRight small-12 large-4 small-abs-12 large-abs-4" data-element-guid="85217874-e58a-475e-9afd-f5e20f2cdd41">
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<p><span class="italic m-italic " data-lab-italic="italic">– Men kan det oppstå en ny type allianse i Europa?</span></p><p>– Ja, hvis USA skulle gå ut av Nato. Det er det ingenting som tyder på nå. Men hvis USA formelt skulle gå ut, vil man sannsynligvis se en slags koalisjon av villige, <a href="https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/koalisjon-av-villige-skal-sikre-fred-i-ukraina/9728052" target="_blank">lik den vi ser nå</a>, med nordeuropeiske land, svarte forskeren, som legger til at han ser på det som et lite realistisk scenario at USA og Donald Trump kommer til å gå ut av Nato, svarte Friis.</p><p>Norges forsvarsminister Tore O. Sandvik (Ap) har uttalt til NTB at han er sterk i troen på at Nato består:</p><div class="column google-ad display-label widthFull" data-element-guid="fa41a132-f7c5-4b37-99c0-bb4c431c4d52" style="">
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"content" : "USAs president Donald Trump har i lang tid sådd tvil om amerikanernes videre engasjement i Nato, og har ikke utelukket at USA sågar kan trekke seg helt ut av alliansen.\n\nJoschka Fischer, som var Tysklands utenriksminister og visestatsminister i perioden 1995 til 2005, er usikker på om dagens Nato vil bestå.\n\n– Vi kan ganske enkelt ikke stole på USA mer i framtiden. Jeg har mine tvil om Natos overlevelse, sier han i et stort intervju med [Der Spiegel](https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/ex-german-foreign-minister-joschka-fischer-i-have-my-doubts-about-natos-survival-a-d9ecdbfc-8b8f-4c2b-a7f7-98c48a2a4c7a).\n\n– Er situasjonen så alvorlig?\n\n– I hvert fall som en transatlantisk allianse. Jeg tror det vil være fornuftig at et europeisk Nato fortsetter å eksistere, svarer Fischer, som legger til at Tyskland er et av landene som må styrke og forbedre sin militære posisjon siden USA ikke lenger ser ut til å fungere som en beskyttende makt.\n\n## En ny Trump?\n\nTorsdag skrev Donald Trump at USA undersøker muligheten for å redusere antall amerikanske styrker i Tyskland, [og fredag ble det kjent at USA skal hente hjem 5000 soldater fra landet](https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/nato-i-dialog-med-usa-etter-tilbaketrekking-av-soldater-fra-tyskland/10327095). Trump har under begge sine presidentperioder truet med å redusere antallet soldater i europeiske land som en del av hans kritikk mot Nato, skriver NTB.\n\nAt USA teoretisk kan få en president som endrer kurs igjen etter 2028\\-valget, mener Fischer ikke har så mye å si.\n\n– Hvem kan garantere at det ikke kommer en ny Trump etter det? Tilliten er borte, og den kan ikke gjenopprettes gjennom et annet valgresultat, uansett hvor mye jeg håper på det. Stabiliteten i den transatlantiske alliansen hvilte på denne tilliten, sier tyskeren.\n\nFischer er ikke den eneste som har luftet muligheten for et europeisk «mini\\-Nato».\n\n– Jeg tror mange vil gå veldig langt for å opprettholde dagens Nato og den amerikanske interessen i alliansen, også internt i USA. Men en kriseløsning med et «mini\\-Nato» i Nord\\-Europa er litt mer sannsynlig nå enn det var tidligere, [sa Paal Sigurd Hilde til Dagsavisen i vinter](https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/et-mini-nato-uten-usa-hvis-det-verste-skulle-skje/10139690).\n\nHilde er professor ved Institutt for forsvarsstudier, og har blant annet Nato og nordområdene som spesialfelt.\n\n– I et slikt «mini\\-Nato» vil de nordiske landene, de baltiske landene, Benelux, Storbritannia og Tyskland være åpenbare kandidater – land som har veldig felles synspunkter på en god del ting.\n\nAllerede i[ 2024 sa Hilde til Dagsavisen](https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/ekspert-om-trumps-trusler-kan-bli-et-mini-nato-i-nord-europa/5649001) at en «ny», Nato\\-lignende allianse kan vokse fram i Nord\\-Europa hvis Donald Trump trekker USA ut av Nato.\n\n## Bærebjelken i Nato\n\nNato\\-ekspert og Nupi\\-forsker Karsten Friis, som også er spaltist i Dagsavisen, har uttalt at det ikke kan eksistere et Nato uten USA.\n\n– Nei, da er det ikke Nato lenger. USA er bærebjelken i Nato, med atomparaplyen som viktigste element. Uten den sliter de andre allierte veldig, sa Friis til Dagsavisen i januar.\n\n– Men kan det oppstå en ny type allianse i Europa?\n\n– Ja, hvis USA skulle gå ut av Nato. Det er det ingenting som tyder på nå. Men hvis USA formelt skulle gå ut, vil man sannsynligvis se en slags koalisjon av villige, [lik den vi ser nå](https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/koalisjon-av-villige-skal-sikre-fred-i-ukraina/9728052), med nordeuropeiske land, svarte forskeren, som legger til at han ser på det som et lite realistisk scenario at USA og Donald Trump kommer til å gå ut av Nato, svarte Friis.\n\nNorges forsvarsminister Tore O. Sandvik \\(Ap\\) har uttalt til NTB at han er sterk i troen på at Nato består:\n\n– Nato kommer ikke til å ryke. Nato er en gjensidig forsvarsallianse, der USA er en viktig sikkerhetsgarantist, sa Sandvik til nyhetsbyrået i vinter.\n\nFå nyhetsbrev fra Dagsavisen. Meld deg på her!",
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Jeg har mine tvil om Natos overlevelse, sier han i et stort intervju med [Der Spiegel](https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/ex-german-foreign-minister-joschka-fischer-i-have-my-doubts-about-natos-survival-a-d9ecdbfc-8b8f-4c2b-a7f7-98c48a2a4c7a).\\n\\nâ Er situasjonen sÃ¥ alvorlig?\\n\\nâ I hvert fall som en transatlantisk allianse. Jeg tror det vil være fornuftig at et europeisk Nato fortsetter Ã¥ eksistere, svarer Fischer, som legger til at Tyskland er et av landene som mÃ¥ styrke og forbedre sin militære posisjon siden USA ikke lenger ser ut til Ã¥ fungere som en beskyttende makt.\\n\\n## En ny Trump?\\n\\nTorsdag skrev Donald Trump at USA undersøker muligheten for Ã¥ redusere antall amerikanske styrker i Tyskland, [og fredag ble det kjent at USA skal hente hjem 5000 soldater fra landet](https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/nato-i-dialog-med-usa-etter-tilbaketrekking-av-soldater-fra-tyskland/10327095). Trump har under begge sine presidentperioder truet med Ã¥ redusere antallet soldater i europeiske land som en del av hans kritikk mot Nato, skriver NTB.\\n\\nAt USA teoretisk kan fÃ¥ en president som endrer kurs igjen etter 2028\\\\-valget, mener Fischer ikke har sÃ¥ mye Ã¥ si.\\n\\nâ Hvem kan garantere at det ikke kommer en ny Trump etter det? Tilliten er borte, og den kan ikke gjenopprettes gjennom et annet valgresultat, uansett hvor mye jeg hÃ¥per pÃ¥ det. Stabiliteten i den transatlantiske alliansen hvilte pÃ¥ denne tilliten, sier tyskeren.\\n\\nFischer er ikke den eneste som har luftet muligheten for et europeisk «mini\\\\-Nato».\\n\\nâ Jeg tror mange vil gÃ¥ veldig langt for Ã¥ opprettholde dagens Nato og den amerikanske interessen i alliansen, ogsÃ¥ internt i USA. Men en kriseløsning med et «mini\\\\-Nato» i Nord\\\\-Europa er litt mer sannsynlig nÃ¥ enn det var tidligere, [sa Paal Sigurd Hilde til Dagsavisen i vinter](https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/et-mini-nato-uten-usa-hvis-det-verste-skulle-skje/10139690).\\n\\nHilde er professor ved Institutt for forsvarsstudier, og har blant annet Nato og nordomrÃ¥dene som spesialfelt.\\n\\nâ I et slikt «mini\\\\-Nato» vil de nordiske landene, de baltiske landene, Benelux, Storbritannia og Tyskland være Ã¥penbare kandidater â land som har veldig felles synspunkter pÃ¥ en god del ting.\\n\\nAllerede i[ 2024 sa Hilde til Dagsavisen](https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/ekspert-om-trumps-trusler-kan-bli-et-mini-nato-i-nord-europa/5649001) at en «ny», Nato\\\\-lignende allianse kan vokse fram i Nord\\\\-Europa hvis Donald Trump trekker USA ut av Nato.\\n\\n## Bærebjelken i Nato\\n\\nNato\\\\-ekspert og Nupi\\\\-forsker Karsten Friis, som ogsÃ¥ er spaltist i Dagsavisen, har uttalt at det ikke kan eksistere et Nato uten USA.\\n\\nâ Nei, da er det ikke Nato lenger. USA er bærebjelken i Nato, med atomparaplyen som viktigste element. Uten den sliter de andre allierte veldig, sa Friis til Dagsavisen i januar.\\n\\nâ Men kan det oppstÃ¥ en ny type allianse i Europa?\\n\\nâ Ja, hvis USA skulle gÃ¥ ut av Nato. Det er det ingenting som tyder pÃ¥ nÃ¥. Men hvis USA formelt skulle gÃ¥ ut, vil man sannsynligvis se en slags koalisjon av villige, [lik den vi ser nÃ¥](https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/koalisjon-av-villige-skal-sikre-fred-i-ukraina/9728052), med nordeuropeiske land, svarte forskeren, som legger til at han ser pÃ¥ det som et lite realistisk scenario at USA og Donald Trump kommer til Ã¥ gÃ¥ ut av Nato, svarte Friis.\\n\\nNorges forsvarsminister Tore O. Sandvik \\\\(Ap\\\\) har uttalt til NTB at han er sterk i troen pÃ¥ at Nato bestÃ¥r:\\n\\nâ Nato kommer ikke til Ã¥ ryke. Nato er en gjensidig forsvarsallianse, der USA er en viktig sikkerhetsgarantist, sa Sandvik til nyhetsbyrÃ¥et i vinter.\\n\\nFÃ¥ nyhetsbrev fra Dagsavisen. 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Her er tyske soldater avbildet på Nato-øvelse.</figcaption>\n <figcaption class=\"\" data-byline-prefix=\"\" itemprop=\"author\">Foto: Tobias Schwarz / AFP / NTB</figcaption>\n </div>\n\n\n\n <p class=\"kicker tertiary color_mobile_tertiary font-PTSans hasTextColor hasTextColorMobile\" style=\"\">Verden</p>\n\n\n <div class=\"meta\" data-element-guid=\"49e4f1ee-6b6c-4da9-94d6-338155dd62c6\">\n \n\n <div class=\"bylines\">\n <div class=\"byline column\" data-element-guid=\"5ce9911c-2a18-4862-ad04-7cd6763259e1\" itemscope itemtype=\"http://schema.org/Person\">\n \n <div class=\"content\">\n <figure data-element-guid=\"736d3b94-9db0-4344-87e6-e265d1f5e444\">\n <picture>\n <img alt=\"Jørn H. Skjærpe\" height=\"180\" itemprop=\"image\" src=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/9680949.webp?imageId=9680949&x=6.35&y=0.00&cropw=66.67&croph=100.00&width=360&height=360\" width=\"180\">\n </picture>\n</figure>\n <address class=\"name lab-name-flex\">\n <span class=\"lab-hidden-byline-name\" itemprop=\"name\">Jørn H. Skjærpe</span>\n <a href=\"https://www.dagsavisen.no/author/9680953\" itemprop=\"url\" rel=\"author\">\n <span class=\"firstname \">Jørn</span>\n <span class=\"lastname \">H. 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Jeg har mine tvil om Natos overlevelse, sier han i et stort intervju med <a href=\"https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/ex-german-foreign-minister-joschka-fischer-i-have-my-doubts-about-natos-survival-a-d9ecdbfc-8b8f-4c2b-a7f7-98c48a2a4c7a\" target=\"_blank\">Der Spiegel</a>.</p><figure class=\"column desktop-floatCenter mobile-floatCenter small-12 large-8 small-abs-12 large-abs-8\" data-element-guid=\"625a9a06-03b6-4b9f-9f7d-44a3240274a4\">\n \n <div class=\"content bg-tertiary color_mobile_bg-tertiary hasContentPadding mobile-hasContentPadding\" style=\"\">\n\n <div class=\"img fullwidthTarget\">\n <picture>\n <source height=\"403\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325120.webp?imageId=10325120&width=1412&height=806&format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"706\"> \n <source height=\"403\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325120.webp?imageId=10325120&width=1412&height=806&format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"706\"> \n <source height=\"274\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325120.webp?imageId=10325120&width=960&height=548&format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"480\"> \n <source height=\"274\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325120.webp?imageId=10325120&width=960&height=548&format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"480\"> \n <img alt=\"\" height=\"274\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325120.webp?imageId=10325120&width=960&height=548&format=jpg\" style=\"\" width=\"480\">\n </picture> \n </div>\n <div class=\"caption \" data-showmore=\"Vis mer\">\n <figcaption class=\"\" itemprop=\"caption\">Tyske Joschka Fischer på besøk i Oslo i 2009. Her med Norges daværende utenriksminister, nå statsminister, Jonas Gahr Støre (Ap).</figcaption>\n <figcaption class=\"\" data-byline-prefix=\"\" itemprop=\"author\">Foto: Stian Lysberg Solum / NTB</figcaption>\n </div> </div>\n</figure>\n<p><span class=\"italic m-italic \" data-lab-italic=\"italic\">– Er situasjonen så alvorlig?</span></p><div class=\"column google-ad display-label widthFull\" data-element-guid=\"22216cb3-cfe8-428a-c2e9-2796887dd39a\" style=\"\">\n\n <span class=\"ad-label\">Annonse</span>\n <div class=\"adunit\" id=\"articleboard/board1\"></div>\n \n</div>\n<p>– I hvert fall som en transatlantisk allianse. Jeg tror det vil være fornuftig at et europeisk Nato fortsetter å eksistere, svarer Fischer, som legger til at Tyskland er et av landene som må styrke og forbedre sin militære posisjon siden USA ikke lenger ser ut til å fungere som en beskyttende makt.</p><article class=\"column desktop-floatCenter mobile-floatCenter paywall small-12 large-8 small-abs-12 large-abs-8 \" data-element-guid=\"ddf3ed70-7ba4-4ed3-9b16-b118041eb424\" data-image-float=\"floatRight\" data-instance=\"10323214\" data-section=\"nyheter\" data-site-alias=\"dagsavisen\" itemscope>\n \n <div class=\"content bg-tertiary color_mobile_bg-tertiary op-bg_60 color_mobile_op-bg_60 border-bg-secondary mobile_border-bg-secondary vertical-text-align-center mobile-vertical-text-align-center hasContentPadding mobile-hasContentPadding hasBorder mobile-hasBorder\" style=\"\">\n \n <a class=\"\" data-k5a-url=\"https://www.dagsavisen.no/a/10323214\" href=\"/nyheter/krigen-reddet-thatcher-na-er-det-igjen-brak-om-falklandsoyene/10323214\" itemprop=\"url\" rel=\"\">\n\n\n <div class=\"media desktop-floatRight mobile-floatRight\">\n \n <figure class=\"desktop-floatRight mobile-floatRight\" data-element-guid=\"cc9f864b-f112-4157-a2ad-217e6b3f0177\" style=\"width:184px;\">\n <div class=\"img fullwidthTarget\">\n <picture>\n <source height=\"102\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10323231.webp?imageId=10323231&x=0.00&y=0.00&cropw=100.00&croph=100.00&heightx=0.00&heighty=0.00&heightw=100.00&heighth=100.00&width=368&height=204&format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"184\"> \n <source height=\"102\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10323231.webp?imageId=10323231&x=0.00&y=0.00&cropw=100.00&croph=100.00&heightx=0.00&heighty=0.00&heightw=100.00&heighth=100.00&width=368&height=204&format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"184\"> \n <source height=\"94\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10323231.webp?imageId=10323231&x=0.00&y=0.00&cropw=100.00&croph=100.00&heightx=0.00&heighty=0.00&heightw=100.00&heighth=100.00&width=250&height=188&format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"125\"> \n <source height=\"94\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10323231.webp?imageId=10323231&x=0.00&y=0.00&cropw=100.00&croph=100.00&heightx=0.00&heighty=0.00&heightw=100.00&heighth=100.00&width=250&height=188&format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"125\"> \n <img alt=\"\" height=\"94\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10323231.webp?imageId=10323231&x=0.00&y=0.00&cropw=100.00&croph=100.00&heightx=0.00&heighty=0.00&heightw=100.00&heighth=100.00&width=250&height=188&format=jpg\" style=\"\" width=\"125\">\n </picture> \n </div>\n \n</figure>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n \n \n\n <div class=\"floatingText\">\n\n <div class=\"labels\">\n </div>\n </div>\n \n\n </div>\n\n <div class=\"vertically-aligned-text\">\n\n \n <h2 class=\"headline t19 tm14\" itemprop=\"headline\" style=\"\">Krigen «reddet» Thatcher. Nå er det igjen bråk om Falklandsøyene\n</h2>\n\n \n\n </div>\n\n\n\n </a>\n\n <time datetime=\"2026-04-29T21:10:21+02:00\" itemprop=\"datePublished\"></time>\n </div>\n</article>\n<h2>En ny Trump?</h2><p>Torsdag skrev Donald Trump at USA undersøker muligheten for å redusere antall amerikanske styrker i Tyskland, <a href=\"https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/nato-i-dialog-med-usa-etter-tilbaketrekking-av-soldater-fra-tyskland/10327095\" target=\"_blank\">og fredag ble det kjent at USA skal hente hjem 5000 soldater fra landet</a>. <span>Trump</span> har under begge sine presidentperioder truet med å redusere antallet soldater i europeiske land som en del av hans kritikk mot Nato, skriver NTB.</p><p>At USA teoretisk kan få en president som endrer kurs igjen etter 2028-valget, mener Fischer ikke har så mye å si.</p><div class=\"column google-ad display-label widthFull\" data-element-guid=\"eb3caaae-6693-446a-e557-3ea99d1567f7\" style=\"\">\n\n <span class=\"ad-label\">Annonse</span>\n <div class=\"adunit\" id=\"articleboard/board2\"></div>\n \n</div>\n<p>– Hvem kan garantere at det ikke kommer en ny Trump etter det? Tilliten er borte, og den kan ikke gjenopprettes gjennom et annet valgresultat, uansett hvor mye jeg håper på det. Stabiliteten i den transatlantiske alliansen hvilte på denne tilliten, sier tyskeren.</p><figure class=\"column desktop-floatCenter mobile-floatCenter small-12 large-8 small-abs-12 large-abs-8\" data-element-guid=\"26636429-a678-4f0b-a066-69d7b963a0d1\">\n \n <div class=\"content bg-tertiary color_mobile_bg-tertiary hasContentPadding mobile-hasContentPadding\" style=\"\">\n\n <div class=\"img fullwidthTarget\">\n <picture>\n <source height=\"371\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325132.webp?imageId=10325132&x=0.00&y=12.53&cropw=100.00&croph=85.61&width=1300&height=742&format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"650\"> \n <source height=\"371\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325132.webp?imageId=10325132&x=0.00&y=12.53&cropw=100.00&croph=85.61&width=1300&height=742&format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"650\"> \n <source height=\"274\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325132.webp?imageId=10325132&x=0.00&y=12.53&cropw=100.00&croph=85.61&width=960&height=548&format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"480\"> \n <source height=\"274\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325132.webp?imageId=10325132&x=0.00&y=12.53&cropw=100.00&croph=85.61&width=960&height=548&format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"480\"> \n <img alt=\"\" height=\"274\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325132.webp?imageId=10325132&x=0.00&y=12.53&cropw=100.00&croph=85.61&width=960&height=548&format=jpg\" style=\"\" width=\"480\">\n </picture> \n </div>\n <div class=\"caption \" data-showmore=\"Vis mer\">\n <figcaption class=\"\" itemprop=\"caption\">USAs rolle i Nato er i det blå, skal man tro signalene fra landets president Donald Trump. Her fra alliansens toppmøte i Haag i fjor.</figcaption>\n <figcaption class=\"\" data-byline-prefix=\"\" itemprop=\"author\">Foto: John Thys / AFP / NTB</figcaption>\n </div> </div>\n</figure>\n<p>Fischer er ikke den eneste som har luftet muligheten for et europeisk «mini-Nato».</p><p>– Jeg tror mange vil gå veldig langt for å opprettholde dagens Nato og den amerikanske interessen i alliansen, også internt i USA. Men en kriseløsning med et «mini-Nato» i Nord-Europa er litt mer sannsynlig nå enn det var tidligere, <a href=\"https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/et-mini-nato-uten-usa-hvis-det-verste-skulle-skje/10139690\" target=\"_blank\">sa Paal Sigurd Hilde til Dagsavisen i vinter</a>.</p><p>Hilde er professor ved Institutt for forsvarsstudier, og har blant annet Nato og nordområdene som spesialfelt.</p><div class=\"column google-ad display-label widthFull\" data-element-guid=\"bd41fe70-bc53-47f1-c7a1-5b9fa06e2a52\" style=\"\">\n\n <span class=\"ad-label\">Annonse</span>\n <div class=\"adunit\" id=\"articleboard/board3\"></div>\n \n</div>\n<p>– I et slikt «mini-Nato» vil de nordiske landene, de baltiske landene, Benelux, Storbritannia og Tyskland være åpenbare kandidater – land som har veldig felles synspunkter på en god del ting.</p><figure class=\"column desktop-floatRight mobile-floatRight small-12 large-4 small-abs-12 large-abs-4\" data-element-guid=\"fad4c4f8-9665-4186-b44b-5cda73f6ec15\">\n \n <div class=\"content bg-tertiary color_mobile_bg-tertiary hasContentPadding mobile-hasContentPadding\" style=\"\">\n\n <div class=\"img fullwidthTarget\">\n <picture>\n <source height=\"202\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325149.webp?imageId=10325149&width=706&height=404&format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"353\"> \n <source height=\"202\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325149.webp?imageId=10325149&width=706&height=404&format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"353\"> \n <source height=\"274\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325149.webp?imageId=10325149&width=960&height=548&format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"480\"> \n <source height=\"274\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325149.webp?imageId=10325149&width=960&height=548&format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"480\"> \n <img alt=\"\" height=\"274\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325149.webp?imageId=10325149&width=960&height=548&format=jpg\" style=\"\" width=\"480\">\n </picture> \n </div>\n <div class=\"caption \" data-showmore=\"Vis mer\">\n <figcaption class=\"\" itemprop=\"caption\">Paal Sigurd Hilde.</figcaption>\n <figcaption class=\"\" data-byline-prefix=\"\" itemprop=\"author\">Foto: Jørn H. Skjærpe</figcaption>\n </div> </div>\n</figure>\n<p>Allerede i<a href=\"https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/ekspert-om-trumps-trusler-kan-bli-et-mini-nato-i-nord-europa/5649001\" target=\"_blank\"> 2024 sa Hilde til Dagsavisen</a> at en «ny», Nato-lignende allianse kan vokse fram i Nord-Europa hvis Donald Trump trekker USA ut av Nato.</p><h2>Bærebjelken i Nato</h2><p>Nato-ekspert og <dfn role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" title=\"Norsk utenrikspolitisk institutt\">Nupi</dfn>-forsker Karsten Friis, som også er spaltist i Dagsavisen, har uttalt at det ikke kan eksistere et Nato uten USA.</p><div class=\"column google-ad display-label widthFull\" data-element-guid=\"fcf0b577-3c82-4993-e4b8-3badc58e9628\" style=\"\">\n\n <span class=\"ad-label\">Annonse</span>\n <div class=\"adunit\" id=\"articleboard/board4\"></div>\n \n</div>\n<p>– Nei, da er det ikke Nato lenger. USA er bærebjelken i Nato, med <dfn role=\"button\" tabindex=\"0\" title=\"(Militær) trygghet, sikkerhet som en stormakts atomvåpen tenkes å gi alliert, for eksempel mindre land som er uten atomvåpen og kjenner seg truet av en annen stormakt med slike våpen. (NAOB)\">atomparaplyen</dfn> som viktigste element. Uten den sliter de andre allierte veldig, sa Friis til Dagsavisen i januar.</p><figure class=\"column desktop-floatRight mobile-floatRight small-12 large-4 small-abs-12 large-abs-4\" data-element-guid=\"85217874-e58a-475e-9afd-f5e20f2cdd41\">\n \n <div class=\"content bg-tertiary color_mobile_bg-tertiary hasContentPadding mobile-hasContentPadding\" style=\"\">\n\n <div class=\"img fullwidthTarget\">\n <picture>\n <source height=\"327\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325135.webp?imageId=10325135&x=0.00&y=0.99&cropw=100.00&croph=80.54&width=622&height=654&format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"311\"> \n <source height=\"327\" media=\"(min-width: 768px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325135.webp?imageId=10325135&x=0.00&y=0.99&cropw=100.00&croph=80.54&width=622&height=654&format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"311\"> \n <source height=\"504\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325135.webp?imageId=10325135&x=0.00&y=0.99&cropw=100.00&croph=80.54&width=960&height=1008&format=webp\" type=\"image/webp\" width=\"480\"> \n <source height=\"504\" media=\"(max-width: 767px)\" srcset=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325135.webp?imageId=10325135&x=0.00&y=0.99&cropw=100.00&croph=80.54&width=960&height=1008&format=jpg\" type=\"image/jpeg\" width=\"480\"> \n <img alt=\"\" height=\"504\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https://image.dagsavisen.no/10325135.webp?imageId=10325135&x=0.00&y=0.99&cropw=100.00&croph=80.54&width=960&height=1008&format=jpg\" style=\"\" width=\"480\">\n </picture> \n </div>\n <div class=\"caption \" data-showmore=\"Vis mer\">\n <figcaption class=\"\" itemprop=\"caption\">Karsten Friis.</figcaption>\n <figcaption class=\"\" data-byline-prefix=\"\" itemprop=\"author\">Foto: Jørn H. Skjærpe</figcaption>\n </div> </div>\n</figure>\n<p><span class=\"italic m-italic \" data-lab-italic=\"italic\">– Men kan det oppstå en ny type allianse i Europa?</span></p><p>– Ja, hvis USA skulle gå ut av Nato. Det er det ingenting som tyder på nå. Men hvis USA formelt skulle gå ut, vil man sannsynligvis se en slags koalisjon av villige, <a href=\"https://www.dagsavisen.no/nyheter/koalisjon-av-villige-skal-sikre-fred-i-ukraina/9728052\" target=\"_blank\">lik den vi ser nå</a>, med nordeuropeiske land, svarte forskeren, som legger til at han ser på det som et lite realistisk scenario at USA og Donald Trump kommer til å gå ut av Nato, svarte Friis.</p><p>Norges forsvarsminister Tore O. Sandvik (Ap) har uttalt til NTB at han er sterk i troen på at Nato består:</p><div class=\"column google-ad display-label widthFull\" data-element-guid=\"fa41a132-f7c5-4b37-99c0-bb4c431c4d52\" style=\"\">\n\n <span class=\"ad-label\">Annonse</span>\n <div class=\"adunit\" id=\"articleboard/board5\"></div>\n \n</div>\n<p>– Nato kommer ikke til å ryke. Nato er en gjensidig forsvarsallianse, der USA er en viktig sikkerhetsgarantist, sa Sandvik til nyhetsbyrået i vinter.</p><p class=\"no_italic m-no_italic font-PTSans\" data-lab-fontface=\"PTSans\" data-lab-italic=\"\"><span class=\"italic m-italic \" data-lab-italic=\"italic\">Få nyhetsbrev fra Dagsavisen. 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"summary" : "Tysklands tidligere utenriksminister mener tilliten til USA er borte, og at det kan føre til et mer europeisk Nato.",
"tags" : null,
"title" : "– Jeg har mine tvil om Natos overlevelse",
"twitter_title" : "– Jeg har mine tvil om Natos overlevelse",
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